AMD/ATI main card with Nvidia card as PhysX card?

[Final8y]

1)You are kidding yourself on if you think that most Ati users would still rubbish fisx if they had access to it! If it was the other way about, I have NO DOUBT it would be the Nvidia crowd rubbishing it with the Ati mob saying it's fantastic!

As I have tried to point out before, it takes about 10 minutes maximum to set up, very straight forward to do. It's not costing the op anything to try it to find out for himself is it?

By no means am I claiming that fisx is the dogs danglies, but it is an option I chose to have. The smug look on my face is priceless when my console mates watch me play the likes of Metro, Batman or Mafia2 and show them what a real toy can do!

Is that not the point of having a PC in the first place? It's up to you what goes in and if you don't like something about it, rip it out and get a new shiny bit.

In case anybody is wondering, I use a 5870+9800gt just now, but when it's time for me to get a new card, I will be going for best bang for buck. I do not care about brand loyalty as they sure as hell don't care about us they just wan't your cash!

1) I didn't say anything about most but its near impossible for Any ATi user to say anything negative about physx without the because you cant use it card being pulled out & you assume to much just because you think its great that the majority also think its great & its only because they have never used it when infact they have as NV had the majority of the gfx card market & that was the fact then the majority would have used it at some point.

Your biggest problem is not accepting that first hand experience is not needed in some visual effects, all you need to do is watch it & both ATI & NV users can watch physx & if it was such a great feature then people would not move from NV to ATI like they have done & given up the option of physx.

physx is a feature on the box & you either think its worth it or you don't & has nothing to do with because you don't have it.

 

[Barzini]

Yeah I wouldn't bother with a separate PhysX card to be honest, your 5850 will be fine on its own, no need to have the Nvidia card there generating extra heat.

 

[tommybhoy]

physx is feature on the box & you either think its worth it or you don't & has nothing to do with because you don't have it.

I disagree again, Are you telling me that the majority Man City fans said that Ronaldo was fantastic at Utd? No chance! How many of said fans would do a u-turn and say he was fantastic if he signed for City?

My original point was all about most Ati users jumping in when fisx is discussed saying it's crap/rubbish without having actually played first hand a game with the effects on.

Your biggest problem is not accepting that first had experience is not needed in visual effects, all you need to do is watch it

Simply watching a video of walk through game-play does not show the true visual effect imo. When I recorded some of my game-play in Metro, it wasn't as good looking as when actually playing the game.

Once again I will state

By no means am I claiming that fisx is the dogs danglies

 

[Final8y]

1)My original point was all about most Ati users jumping in when fisx is discussed saying it's crap/rubbish without having actually played first hand a game with the effects on.



"2)Simply watching a video of walk through game-play does not show the true visual effect imo. When I recorded some of my game-play in Metro, it wasn't as good looking as when actually playing the game.

Once again I will state

1) again you assume far to much as if PhysX has just pop up in the last 6 months & current ATI users has never played a game with PhysX, PhysX has been around for years most users were NV users who are now ATI users.

2) That's a contradiction if the physics difference is so subtle that videos cant pick it up then PhysX is not doing its job & your confusing visual quality with movement which are not the same thing.
I have seen some very realistic looking physics represented by some very low detailed gfx blocks.

 

[tommybhoy]

1) again you assume far to much as if PhysX has just pop up in the last 6 months & current ATI users has never played a game with PhysX, PhysX has been around for years

First Nvidia full fisx feature driver was released in August 2008.

most users were NV users who are now ATI users.

So who used to buy Ati cards before they released the 4 series?

2) That's a contradiction if the physics difference is so subtle that videos cant pick it up then PhysX is not doing its job & your confusing visual quality with movement which are not the same thing.

When I record game-play, my FPS takes a huge hit, so the video quality is of no where near the same as in game. That's why when people youtube videos of fisx in action, imo it does not look as good.

 

[Final8y]

1)First Nvidia full fisx feature driver was released in August 2008.

So who used to buy the Ati cards before they released the 4 series?




2)When I record game-play, my FPS takes a huge hit, so the video quality is of no where near the same as in game. That's why when people youtube videos of fisx in action, imo it does not look as good.

1)AGEIA PhysX Hardware was around since 2006, PhysX got the same slating back then as it does now, how owns the tech now is irrelevant.


2)The quality of the video is irrelevant to what PhysX represents the quality of videos is more than adequate to show off PhysX.

 

[tommybhoy]

1)AGEIA PhysX Hardware was around since 2006, PhysX got the same slating back then as it does now, how owns the tech now is irrelevant.

Yes AGEIA had it, but It was in reference to this

again you assume far to much as if PhysX has just pop up in the last 6 months & current ATI users has never played a game with PhysX, PhysX has been around for years most users were NV users who are now ATI users.

The quality of the video is irrelevant to what PhysX represents the quality of videos is more than adequate to show off PhysX.

In your opinion.
I have shown metro video to friends that said PC can't do better graphics than console and they asked how it was any different to the console? When they seen it first hand at 1080 on 40" then they were impressed!

 

[Final8y]

1)Yes AGEIA had it, but It was in reference to this


In your opinion.
2)I have shown metro video to friends that said PC can't do better graphics than console and they asked how it was any different to the console? When they seen it first hand at 1080 on 40" then they were impressed!

1) Yes because pro PhysX users has made it so that anyone who don't think PhysX is great is because they don't use a NV card & to further prove my point that is not the case because many still didn't like it even before NV got hold of it so the just because people don't own a NV card is null.

2) Which i said is nothing like what is needed to show off PhysX. Detailed
hi res gfx has virtually nothing to do with physics.

Badly implemented physics don't change if there rendered at 480x640 or 2560x1600.

 

[tommybhoy]

1) Yes because pro PhysX users has made it so that anyone who don't think PhysX is great is because they don't use a NV card & to further prove my point that is not the case because many still didn't like it even before NV got hold of it so the just because people don't own a NV card is null.

2) Which i said is nothing like what is needed to show off PhysX. Detailed
hi res gfx has virtually nothing to do with physics.

Badly implemented physics don't change if there rendered at 480x640 or 2560x1600.

To say my argument about the majority of ati users don't like fisx is null just baffles me.

No offense...as a natural guy that don't really bias toward either camp, the only people I've seen claiming PhysX is 'totally' not worth the bother are ATI loyalists that don't have the necessary hardware to run PhysX, so it's not really convincing.

While I agree it would be not worth going out of the way to get a card just to run PhysX and there's only handful of games uses it, the thing is I already got the necessary hardware lying around so why not? I would probably be keeping the 9800GTX+ as a back-up card since I would not be getting much money back anyway.

Look up previous posts about enabling fisx, compare the sigs of people saying it's rubbish and tell me that the majority are not Ati users.

Your telling me that Batman looks better without fisx?

I'm not telling anyone to go out and buy a Nvidia card for hybrid fizx. If the hardware is lying about then what's the harm using it to get better visuals in a game for ten minutes work? I imagine you didn't get two 5970's for the sake of it did you?

 

[Final8y]

1)To say my argument about the majority of ati users don't like fisx is null just baffles me. Look up previous posts about enabling fisx, compare the sigs of people saying it's rubbish and tell me that the majority are not Ati users.

Your telling me that Batman looks better without fisx?

2)I'm not telling anyone to go out and buy a Nvidia card for hybrid fizx. If the hardware is lying about then what's the harm using it to get better visuals in a game for ten minutes work? I imagine you didn't get two 5970's for the sake of it did you?

1) Indeed it baffles you because you clearly don't understand the point that PhysX being currently a NV owned tech has nothing to do with why some ATI users think PhysX is a waste of time if the ATI users cared about PhysX that much then they would not be ATI users, they would be NV users so that they could use PhysX.

And as i have said before the only reason why your carrying on about its ATI users complaining is to give the impression that they want it but cant have it when its not true & you cant accept that they may just think its crap period & that it cant be for any other reason than some sort of envy.

No batman does not look better without PhysX but it also doesn't look bad without it either & the greater point is not whether PhysX makes things look bad but does PhysX add enough to be worth it & there is allot of opinion that it does not.

2) Worth it is a matter of opinion depending on the perspective of what the individual is willing to accept that PhysX is not being used for its accurate physics properties & using a lot of resource for adding eye candy instead of game physics.

I got 2 two 5970 because they do the purposes that they where made for & that is gfx & they don't pretend to be doing anything else, PhysX is not doing what it is made for, you don't need PhysX to add more visuals but its being used as if you do need it.

Many ATI users have done the i have NV card laying around now so ill use it for PhysX & now cant be bothered with it any more & is no surprise that they voice there opinion on others who are thinking of doing the same to save themselves the bother but at the end of the day its up to the user in spite of the opinions .

 

[tommybhoy]

No batman does not look better without PhysX

No bother m8, I rest my case.

 

[subbytna]

will have a spare 460 was thinking giving this a try - please post results/problems?

that's total overkill and a waste of money, sell the card and get an SSD or something

 

[Final8y]

No bother m8, I rest my case.

You could not of pulled something more out of context if you tried.

No batman does not look better without PhysX but it also doesn't look bad without it either & the greater point is not whether PhysX makes things look bad but does PhysX add enough to be worth it & there is allot of opinion that it does not.

The debate was not about whether or not PhysX adds to something or not because of course it does & that fact has never been in contention by anyone so i don't know why you think i was suggesting that it does not enhance even though some enhancements are not welcomed or liked by all.

The debate is whether or not what PhysX adds is worth it or realistic in its nature & in most titles that its used in & many have the opinion that its not.

There was only been one title which was not even really a full proper game that was made me want to have PhysX which was CellFactor but no other titles have made use of PhysX like that so PhysX is not worth my time.

 

[tommybhoy]

The debate is whether or not what PhysX adds is worth it or realistic in its nature & in most titles that its used in & many have the opinion that its not.

That's not been my point of argument, what I'm saying is a LOT of ATI owners dismiss and knock fisx (mostly without first hand playing experience) because they don't have access to it.

I will say again I am NOT hailing fisx in the slightest but I would rather have the option to use it than not.

 

[Marine-RX179]

This is what I think...if my graphic card was high power consumption card that require at least 2x6pin PCI-E power (i.e. GTX260 or above), I wouldn't bother using it as PhysX card. But for someone with a lower power consumption card that require just one or even not require 6pin PCI-E (i.e. 9800GT Green) lying around, then it would worth playing around with PhysX.

But I think I would put the idea of playing with PhysX on hold...and I got a feeling I will have a hard battle ahead getting the AMD/ATI driver to work with just the 5850 alone...; already see reports of various people having problems with 10.12 across different forums...I think I would probably go for 10.11 instead when I get my 5850.

 

[Final8y]

That's not been my point of argument, what I'm saying is a LOT of ATI owners dismiss and knock fisx (mostly without first hand playing experience) because they don't have access to it.

I will say again I am NOT hailing fisx in the slightest but I would rather have the option to use it than not.

You don't need first hand experience PhysX to see if what its doing & that's the point which you fail to see.

If a rubber ball does not bounce like a rubber ball & instead shatters on the floor like a glass cup then a video is more than enough to show that.

I don't need first hand on PC render to see the short comings of how some effects are implemented in some PhysX.

1)The fog in batman is not realistic which sometimes blows out in front of him when he walks as if he has a fan strapped to his feet.

2)The paper goes through batmans cape.
Cracking tiles needing PhysX is joke.

Just a few from what i can remember from a big thread & Mafia2 also had the same treatment.

You don't need to be sitting with the game running on your PC to see PhysX effects period.

If you like them then fine but you cant be telling people that a video is not enough to see what PhysX is doing when in fact it is.

 

[danceforfreedom]

I would do it if I had the card lying around, even if I only had one or two games for it. Cant be hassle popping in the card installing a few drivers and doing the hack. I've read the added effects in some games are minimal but if I had the card any extra elements to any game would be a bonus!

 

[FrenchTart]

That's not been my point of argument, what I'm saying is a LOT of ATI owners dismiss and knock fisx (mostly without first hand playing experience) because they don't have access to it.

I will say again I am NOT hailing fisx in the slightest but I would rather have the option to use it than not.

Is it really that hard to type PhysX? "fisx" just undermines your entire point as presumably anyone with any knowledge of what it is will also know how to spell it.

 

[arc@css]

Call me Mr.Picky but would paper always react like that when walking (in theory) 'over' it. Every piece that Batman comes in to proximity with moves as if he is intentionally kicking it up in the air.

Still, I'd give it a try if I had an nvidia card. I thought some of the effects in Cryostasis looked good.

 

[FrenchTart]

I'm considering having a play with my spare 8800GTS sometime. However, I need to find a PhysX-enabled game I'm interested in playing first...