Soldato
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I think intel coming into the graphics market is a good thing but only if they push the other 2 into upping there game and a really good price war also.
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AMD ATi Pulled a fast one HD 3800... ?
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then your brain is wrong you probably using only 9 % as i and normal humans using 10% nothing wrong to deliver early blow and finish nvidia for good
edit: and i seen as well that ati releasing some card maybe dual chipped card that promises to deliver 20 000 3dmark06 WooTTTT
Do you have to be such a fanboy? I mean honestly it's a graphics card, you go for the fastest per price not the company surely?
Anyway ATi utterly failed with the R600, if any company is to go out of business it's gonna be ATi.
I always go with the best at the time. Currently got a nvidia, before that it ws two ATI's in a row and before that Nvidia.
I have no loyalty to any manufacturer.
Same can be said about cpu. I have swapped back and forth between platforms for years. If I could afford the change right now I would be in the Intel camp
I have no loyalty to any manufacturer.
Same can be said about cpu. I have swapped back and forth between platforms for years. If I could afford the change right now I would be in the Intel camp
Do you have to be such a fanboy? I mean honestly it's a graphics card, you go for the fastest per price not the company surely?
Anyway ATi utterly failed with the R600, if any company is to go out of business it's gonna be ATi.
Yer but did the geforce FX which failed badly do anything bad for nvidia no. Plus ATI are pretty much safe after AMD brought them. AMD wont go down, the EU wouldn't allow it and among other places.
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Well Im expecting this is just a renamed gladiator/revivor or whatever it was RV670/2950 was currently being known under, to try and get away from some of the early bad name (poor initial drivers) of the HD2900XT, which left a marred reputation which has kind of dogged ATI. As Im probably buying a card early December though, I'm more than willing to be suprised, and will be more than happy to see this being a new, revised core with improved AA capability, reduced power usage etc (kinda like X1900 was to the X1800) because as always I'll just buy the best Bang p/£ card in my price range, if I end up with an 8800/<ATI CURRENT TOP RANGE OF CARD>, so be it 
You do know intel already do make graphics solutions?
What a completely retarded post this is.
You do know that the enthusiast market is worth a tiny percent of what each of these companys makes, so just because they lose the next gen war it doesnt mean they have a remote chance of going bust.
Look at VIA's CPUs+graphics solutions, they completely blow as far as most of us are concerned, they have a decent turnover though.
Intel are in fact the world leader in graphics solutions, having around a 40% market share. Nvidia, however, are catching up fast - which is why Intel plan to extend their graphics range to include gaming and professional parts, which DO make up a large portion of the market. Intel currently makes its graphics revenue from mobile and other integrated parts. The stand alone cards make up around 20-30% of the market if I remember correctly.
AMD is the one suffering here though - they are the ones losing their market share. And with their current series of products it is clear why. While they are at no immediate risk, they could be getting into problems within the next 5-10 years if they don't turn the company around. For comparison, Intel make almost as much money in pure profit than AMDs entire revenue - around $5 billion. AMD are currently not making a profit, they lost $166 million last year.
Nvidia are small compared to both AMD and obviously Intel, but they are making $500 million a year in profit and continue to gain ground on both Intel and AMD. That is not to say their future is easy. They are being squeezed out of the chipset market and if Intel succeeds in creating a decent stand alone graphics solution, Nvidia would understandably be quite worried!
AMD is the one suffering here though - they are the ones losing their market share. And with their current series of products it is clear why. While they are at no immediate risk, they could be getting into problems within the next 5-10 years if they don't turn the company around. For comparison, Intel make almost as much money in pure profit than AMDs entire revenue - around $5 billion. AMD are currently not making a profit, they lost $166 million last year.
Nvidia are small compared to both AMD and obviously Intel, but they are making $500 million a year in profit and continue to gain ground on both Intel and AMD. That is not to say their future is easy. They are being squeezed out of the chipset market and if Intel succeeds in creating a decent stand alone graphics solution, Nvidia would understandably be quite worried!
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Caporegime
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They wont come with the performance to back it up though, these are just the 2900's again, but on a smaller 55nm process and with Dx10.1, if you already have a 2900 XT or a pro, then theres no point at all getting shot of them for another one.
well if its really dx10.1, which i wasn't expecting from either of these, then as ati seemed to want to do with the r600, they should have on die edram/cache to do 4xAA much like the xbox card has. afaik thats the only way you can "guarentee" 4xAA. on a 90nm die there simply wasn't space for it, cutting it out could have been a reason for delay as the core needed to change. could also be the reason it would be easy to drop that back in if it was intended to be there in the first place. 4xaa free, when it was already very close in performance, essentially same speed as a GTS, give it free 4xaa in hardware and the shader power that was being used for 4xaa in the first place is freed up giving it a noticeable boost in power, add in higher clocks and so on.
meh, who knows. we'll see, theres not enough info about to actually know anything, the hd3800 could simply be what they call the GX2 style card. being as 2 cards should be twice the speed of one card(in theory). or as said the 3800 could simply be info leak to catch someone whose leaking to the press.
Bingo... they want to shake the bad rep that the 2900 has... pure and simple. And from their perspective, it DOES support DX10.1 as well as features a whole host of tweaks and improvements, so they can loosely justify a name-change. They did it with the X1800 series when they re-named it X1900 remember, and the X1900 imo was one of the greatest cards to be released since the 6800GT.
So it's not too confusing when you weigh up all the details...
Here's the INQ article: http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/18/rv670-name
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The EU, or any other group of nations for that matter, are not in the habit of bailing out failing companies.
AMD/ATI are actually in very severe financial difficulties as it happens, they are losing boat loads of cash every quarter and no company can keep going for ever like that. Believe me, bigger companies than AMD/ATI have gone bust in the past....
But, I for one am keeping my fingers crossed that they sort things out, because Intel and Nvidia need some strong competition to keep them honest, push the technology along, and to keep prices down.
If AMD do go bust, there will be other companies that will be happy to step in and fill the enthusiast market. If there's money to be made, someone will chase it
Just wondering - given that the DX10.1 spec requires 4xAA - what if these cards have it at negligible performance cost?
Basically HD2900s needed 3 major improvements: heat/power, AA performance and DX10 performance. The first one's almost certainly addressed. Given that these are DX10.1, with a new shader model (hence architectural change) it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the latter two have been sorted. 4xAA could be sorted in a similar way to the xbox (as someone mentioned previously) and if they take the Xbox GPU's scaling features we can suddenly have none native resolutions looking half decent on TFTs.
If the 55nm process allows higher clocks to be reached we potentially have an absolute beast of a chip. Is the 256bit bus really a that much of a limitation? I'm not sure it is and if the R600 could be 'downgraded' to run on a 256 bit bus (HD2900GT) why shouldn't there be an RV670 with a 512bit bus at some point?
Basically HD2900s needed 3 major improvements: heat/power, AA performance and DX10 performance. The first one's almost certainly addressed. Given that these are DX10.1, with a new shader model (hence architectural change) it's not beyond the realms of possibility that the latter two have been sorted. 4xAA could be sorted in a similar way to the xbox (as someone mentioned previously) and if they take the Xbox GPU's scaling features we can suddenly have none native resolutions looking half decent on TFTs.
If the 55nm process allows higher clocks to be reached we potentially have an absolute beast of a chip. Is the 256bit bus really a that much of a limitation? I'm not sure it is and if the R600 could be 'downgraded' to run on a 256 bit bus (HD2900GT) why shouldn't there be an RV670 with a 512bit bus at some point?
I really hope so. I like amd and ati, and i built a pc using both their hardware 5 years ago that is still running happily now, and i haven't had a single fault with it!
how sad would it be if the only processor you could buy was intel, and they'd hold people to ransom by upping the prices of their processors even higher.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display/20071017222629.html
Xbitlabs' take on it - same info we've seen elsewhere but with a bit of commentary. Like some of you - they're wondering how AMD can justify the name change without the performance to back it up.
Xbitlabs' take on it - same info we've seen elsewhere but with a bit of commentary. Like some of you - they're wondering how AMD can justify the name change without the performance to back it up.