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AMD Carrizo APU Massive Leak – 40W TDP, Excavator Cores, 512 SP and Assorted Benchmarks

The X4 860K is now under £60,and also with the A8 7600 at £60 to £70 having the performance for a £40 to £50 card,its a very good value chip. They will play a lot of quite popular games at reasonable settings(or lowish settings fine) and remember a lot of gamers are not hardware enthusiasts on forums,or even care about max settings or resolution,and if it were the case no consoles would ever be sold then! :p I know quite a few people who have done APU based builds for family - so have a few members on here.
I have one of the first APUs,the A6 3670K and its in a relatives PC:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18434284

That was a £60 chip and demolished my Core i3 2100 IGP,and its more of the same currently. The A8 7600,for example is probably double the speed at least when it comes to the IGP and its silly cheap now,ie,under £70 now.
Plus I took that A6-3670K rig to a LAN and plonked in my HD5850 1GB I was using at the time to see if it would be an issue,and it was fine. You also need to consider that for these kind of builds you are not going to be upgrading to a £300 card on them and its more likely something £100 or under and you will tend to be more GPU limited.
Plus the FM2+ chipsets have modern features,and the motherboards are cheap. So for their targeted market they do the job.

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I would agree it would be fail if desktop Carrizo is 2016,but this is wccftech though and AMD is meant to be releasing their new stuff in 2016,so TBH I would take it with a pinch of salt.
 
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Read that wccftech article and its sources. None of them say that Carrizo will be coming to desktop in 2016,only that it appears to be an SOC which has lower clockspeeds than Kaveri,but is made for mobile usage.

Actually there is no indication of what is happening on the desktop side ATM - its all Chinese whispers it appears.

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If you look at some of the leaked roadmaps a year or so ago,there were indications of server versions of Carrizo too called Toronto.

Those very same leaks said it would be an SOC,just like what we knew today about Carrizo.
 
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For gaming I agree but not everyone uses the cheap home PC for gaming. Of course saying that, for the basic social media, internet browsing user any of the £50 CPU's is more than powerful enough.
 
And of course it is difficult sometimes not to think of the overclocking potential. but again most people don't overclock at all. Which is what makes me doubt that original suggestion that AMD is the budget alternative.

The CPU's ( comparable to the Pentium 3220) are dearer, the motherboards are the same sort of price, memory is the same for both and if you go for the lesser CPU, you can have a bay trail with motherboard for £50.

Bottom line if product A is £50 and product B is also £50, I just don't see how either one can be classed as the budget option.
 
bru said:
For gaming I agree but not everyone uses the cheap home PC for gaming. Of course saying that, for the basic social media, internet browsing user any of the £50 CPU's is more than powerful enough.
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A lot of basic home PCs I have seen mates suggest in the last few years have been quad core apu based,especially the sub £80 skus as I found the more expensive ones poor value- even people like stulid have had good experiences with them.

The casual gaming crowd is bigger than you think - games like LoL and Minecraft for example,plus Intel driver support is more hit and miss,although its getting better.

The only time I know a lot of people including me will spec a low cost Intel setup using the igp only are for work builds and certain low cost media builds using the celerons. Even for a basic storage server,the fm2 motherboards tend to have a larger number of sata ports for a given price.

Then look at software support for igps outside gaming with software like Sony Vegas or lots of actual software outside of synthetic benchmarks? The APUs are far more balanced as a whole for home usage. Hopefully, the Broadwell/Skylake pentiums will improve in this regard.
 
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OK after looking into the FM2 boards a little deeper it seems your right a slightly better choice of SATA sockets.( not something I would have thought to compare to be honest)
Also after looking up more details for quad core APU's, I see that the AM1 kabini Athlon 5350 is in there at a low £43.99 which is close enough I think to be comparable to the cheapest Intel at £41.99. performance wise the AMD is slightly better in the IGP games department but massively down on most of the CPU related tests.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1223?vs=1258

and yes it is not the same intel CPU but the closest they bench. (actually a lower model)


but yes if you are willing to go down that sort of route I can see that it could cost very similar amounts, (whereas before I was looking at FM" APU's which for quad core your looking at £73.99).

Now that I have waffled on and confused my self well and proper, I still cannot really see how AMD should be considered the budget option, seeing as cost are very similar.

Disclaimer: Please not I am not saying that any of the AMD options are rubbish just that one option is not a lot cheaper than the other as to be considered a budget option.
 
What I like about the Kaveri APUs is that I've been able to put together a fair light gaming rig that will be completely silent (with fanless cooler) for less than £300. The combination of low TDP, low cost and the capability of the IGP makes it an option that just wouldn't have worked for me on any other platform. I have an overclocked i5 for my gaming PC, but I also really think there's a good place for these kinds of chips in the mix.
 
@ bru:

It's more the brand recognition AMD currently has, a lot of peeps consider AMD the 'value' option VS Intel / Nvidia. To really shake that off they would need to be a performance leader again. FX desktop CPU and APU lines could really do with a refresh..
 
No, my A8-7600 was £70 - so £38 cheaper than that combination.Plus it's perfectly capable on a £40 motherboard, so cheaper still for the whole system. Then there's the low TDP and so potential to be cooled passively, which means unlike that combination it can run totally silent. Slower that the G3220 plus R7 250X? Yes, but not that much in most games (most reviews have the performance somewhere between 250 and 250X depending on RAM, specific games etc.), and it is markedly cheaper and low power and capable of silent operation.

And on top of that there's capacity for hybrid crossfire with lower end R7 GPUs.

Al in all its a nice offering and one I'm happy to see in the market.
 
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The kavari APU's are very nice chips, but don't for one second think that they are budget options.

for the same price you could have this which would be faster in just about every scenario

YOUR BASKET
1 x sapphire radeon r7 250x 1024mb gddr5 pci-express graphics card £65.99
1 x intel pentium g3220 3.0ghz (haswell) socket lga1150 processor - retail £41.99
total : £107.98 (includes shipping : ).

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personally i would never recomend a g3220 as any gaming cpu and here is why.

look at the frame time variance percentile, yes in raw frame rates counted its as fast as the more expensive 750k, but the game play is not as smooth where as the 750k is comparable to the i3 if not the i5 in grid2 (an intel game).

why is that, because with just two small cores its struggling where as the 4 core athlon isn't.



 
AMD’s ‘Carrizo’ processor may never make it to desktop computers

The new wiring line of AMD’s “Carrizo” APUs helps to reduce power consumption of the chip, but does not allow it to run on high frequencies and thus address the market of high-performance desktops, reports PC Watch web-site citing explanations by AMD.
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KitGuru Says: First AMD decided to effectively withdraw from the market of high-end desktop microprocessors. The FX processors AMD sells now were introduced two years ago and are morally outdated. Now the company plans to withdraw from the market of mainstream desktop chips. What’s next?
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http://www.kitguru.net/desktop-pc/a...essor-may-never-make-it-to-desktop-computers/
 
Ignoring intel for a sec. I wonder whether part of their problem is that they have too many overlapping products that seem to service the same end of the market - budget desktop - currently out. Abundant stocks of APU's richland and kaveri around? Can throw in cheaper FX quads into the same space. Introducing another model line would flood the market, compete against itself, reduce any demand of existing stock, distributers/retailers/oems not too keen. So just focus on the area that oem's are going to be interested in, low power mobile/soc's.
 
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Ignoring intel for a sec. I wonder whether part of their problem is that they have too many overlapping products that seem to service the same end of the market - budget desktop - currently out. Abundant stocks of APU's richland and kaveri around? Can throw in cheaper FX quads into the same space. Introducing another model line would flood the market, compete against itself, reduce any demand of existing stock, distributers/retailers/oems not too keen. So just focus on the area that oem's are going to be interested in, low power mobile/soc's.
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Whatever the reason, if true 2015 will be a long boring year for AMD fans wanting something new. Looks like the plan may be to ride 2015 out with current stock and possibly tweaks of existing architecture 'Kaveri' 'Piledriver' and replace everything top to bottom in 2016 with the new architecture 'Zen' 'K12'.

Carrizo being targeted for a 'low power' not 'high clock' part makes sense in it not being brought to desktop. I still think we may see AMD launch new APU parts for desktop, but maybe they will just be tweaked Kaveri over Carrizo. A yawn fest for sure. 2016 is a long way away..
 
Yup if it is an uneventful 2015, it would seem they are just tying off a few already into development projects aimed at mobile/laptop.


Carrizo-L (puma cores) may make it into their desktop AM1 platform seeing as those are kabini SoC's (jaguar). Although there is also Beema (puma). I would expect either-or if it does ever come.
 
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