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AMD Carrizo APU Massive Leak – 40W TDP, Excavator Cores, 512 SP and Assorted Benchmarks

pandem0nium said:
I'd have a read of this article:

Does Memory Performance Bottleneck Your Games? - Tom's

The answer is yeah, sometimes.
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Did you read the article or just the conclusion? Even the two games that appear to benefit from faster RAM show barely any difference. For example, 155 FPS for DDR-2133 C9 versus 147 FPS for DDR3-1600 C9 at 1080p "high" settings. The difference at "ultra" settings is 117 vs 115 FPS. So basically there are some pretty rare occasions where spending loads more on RAM gives you a few extra FPS.
 
^ You're all missing the elephant in the room, which is that APUs use system memory for the GPU, and GPUs need masses of memory bandwidth to function optimally.

For dedicated GPU memory speeds don't make much difference, because the GPU is doing all the work and has its own memory (as DragonQ says, typically a couple of %).

For APUs using system memory it makes a massive difference, 2400 being up to 40% faster than 1333 according to:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/kaveri-memory-speed-performance-scaling/

DDR4 should help, but they really need to do something radical like include memory on die (this is what Iris Pro does to great effect).
 
joeyjojo said:
^ You're all missing the elephant in the room, which is that APUs use system memory for the GPU, and GPUs need masses of memory bandwidth to function optimally.

For dedicated GPU memory speeds don't make much difference, because the GPU is doing all the work and has its own memory (as DragonQ says, typically a couple of %).

For APUs using system memory it makes a massive difference, 2400 being up to 40% faster than 1333 according to:

http://www.hardcoreware.net/kaveri-memory-speed-performance-scaling/
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Wonder what an APU with HBM will do then when they arrive?
 
Dave2150 said:
Peasant console resolution, wonderful :cool:
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Everytime someone makes that exact comment "peasant console" i just think "arrogant rude kn****ad"

I own 2 "peasant consoles" and a 2k gaming PC... i have friends that can afford to buy any pc they wanted but only play on consoles. Saying they are peasants quite frankly makes you look like an uneducated oaf.
 
Dave2150 said:
Peasant console resolution, wonderful :cool:
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:rolleyes:

SiDeards73 said:
Everytime someone makes that exact comment "peasant console" i just think "arrogant rude kn****ad"

I own 2 "peasant consoles" and a 2k gaming PC... i have friends that can afford to buy any pc they wanted but only play on consoles. Saying they are peasants quite frankly makes you look like an uneducated oaf.
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+1
 
SiDeards73 said:
Everytime someone makes that exact comment "peasant console" i just think "arrogant rude kn****ad"

I own 2 "peasant consoles" and a 2k gaming PC... i have friends that can afford to buy any pc they wanted but only play on consoles. Saying they are peasants quite frankly makes you look like an uneducated oaf.
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I concur.

I've been gaming on both consoles and PCs since the BBC Micro and the Sega Master System. They both have their place.
 
And I think Dave2150 is not incorrect, consoles are the weapon of choice for my 9 year old grandkids who wouldn't know the difference between 30/60fps or 720/1080 if it smacked them in the face. But its a one shot deal for my daughter to buy one for them as it wont need upgrading for at least 5 years.
You can bitch at Dave2150 as much as you want but that's who the consoles are aimed at, and when you are talking children, yes budget is an issue.
I don't care if Bill Gates himself plays on them, they are cheap ways to play games at reasonable levels, so the "peasant" comment isn't far from the mark as they are made with kids in mind.
Peasant gaming might seem a little harsh, but it's true.

Edit: I've been gaming since Atari 2600, so what? Is it some sort of badge of I can't be wrong because I'm older than you? :rolleyes:
 
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Hardly budget gaming with kids in mind though is it Slug?

I mean each game costs £40-50, then there's the online subscription to use the networks..
 
Th0nt said:
Hardly budget gaming with kids in mind though is it Slug?

I mean each game costs £40-50, then there's the online subscription to use the networks..
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But yes it is budget as you buy the console for £300 with a couple of goodies thrown in. After that it's a gradual drip drip + £50 a time for a new game, how is that too different to a PC game except the pricing is more aggressive?
It's a subsidised console to make money in the long term from the unwary families.

And on a PC clockers site,I think calling it a peasant machine is about right.
 
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SlugForAButt said:
But yes it is budget as you buy the console for £300 with a couple of goodies thrown in. After that it's a gradual drip drip + £50 a time for a new game, how is that too different to a PC game except the pricing is more aggressive?
It's a subsidised console to make money in the long term from the unwary families.

And on a PC clockers site,I think calling it a peasant machine is about right.
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Yeah except the irony is someone is far from a peasant if they can afford the console. yearly online subscription and £45 - £50 games :p

In the long-term the console costs far more. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out :D
 
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Armageus said:
Being Cynical that is benchmark results from a memory manufacturer though?

The last mainstream benchmarks I had seen, showed at most 5% difference in most games from the slowest to the fastest DDR3.
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There was a whole thread on it here when those benchmarks were published and myself and matt posted benchmarks from a few games - basically in the realworld you have to go from slow 1333/1600MHz stuff to tight timing 2133+ stuff to see even close to the upper end of single digit percentages unless your running a high end multi GPU setup (or APU).
 
SlugForAButt said:
But its a one shot deal for my daughter to buy one for them as it wont need upgrading for at least 5 years.
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It's a one shot deal for everyone who buys them not just your daughter or grandchildren.


SlugForAButt said:
You can bitch at Dave2150 as much as you want but that's who the consoles are aimed at, and when you are talking children, yes budget is an issue.
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If consoles were solely aimed at Kids, then I can guarantee they would be better priced - PS3's are still selling well, despite the PS4 being out for 18 months - it is much easier to justify a £100 console than a £300 console, if it is to be exclusively used by the kids.

Not to mention that the PS4 - has a handful of "childrens" games at best, versus the extensive back catalogue that the PS3 has. So given that the PS4 has a lack of "childrens" games, but consoles are only bought by children, why is the PS4 being bought?????

I bought a PS4 at Christmas for myself and my Kids - with a couple of extra controllers (£45 each - so we can do Split screen - that your elitest PC can't), and a few games (Minecraft / Lego Batman 3/Lego Hobbit / Shadow of Mordor / Wolfenstein / Battlefield 4) - so yeah about £500 worth - but clearly peasant gaming.

SlugForAButt said:
I don't care if Bill Gates himself plays on them, they are cheap ways to play games at reasonable levels, so the "peasant" comment isn't far from the mark as they are made with kids in mind.
Peasant gaming might seem a little harsh, but it's true.
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Then lets call PC gaming "elitest-jerk" gaming, and while we're at it, lets move the bar a bit higher - unless you are gaming on triple 4K screens, with SLI-ed Titan X's and a Haswell-E processor, then you must have a "peasant-PC"

You don't like consoles - then move on, but quite a lot of people do - and get this, some people have both consoles and PC's, so they can experience games that are exclusive to both platforms.
 
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