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AMD Got Greedy: R5 5500 CPU vs. Intel i3-12100F
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Don't pair it with a 6500xt!
Caporegime
Ouch? i don't see what the hubbub is about its a re-branded 5600G with the iGPU fused off and despite his clickbait title it actually seems to do quite well compared with the 12100F.
There is nothing to chose between them in games, the 5500 is much stronger in productivity and in the real world with a Motherboard the 12100F will cost the same if not more. if you can ever find one
Is it any wonder with click bait titles for no justification these people are often accused of having an erection for bashing AMD products when ever they think they can contrive it enough to get away with it?
Surprise, supporter of AMD the multi billion $ corporation, to the defence. It's getting embarrassing now.
Soldato
R5 3600 users are still winning three years later.
Yeah it doesn't really show the whole picture here. that i3 is a 4 core 8 thread. its going to struggle pretty badly in modern games pretty soon. The 5500 has legs.
I have been through a fair number of builds recently and have built two ryzen 2600 builds for my two sons. they are vastly superior to my old 4790k that I had 3 years ago due to the fact the extra 4 threads mean they can have discord and youtube up on their second screen whilst gaming without issue, something I could not get on that old i7.
I have been through a fair number of builds recently and have built two ryzen 2600 builds for my two sons. they are vastly superior to my old 4790k that I had 3 years ago due to the fact the extra 4 threads mean they can have discord and youtube up on their second screen whilst gaming without issue, something I could not get on that old i7.
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pairing it with such a high end system is stupid. see how it performs in a budget build then compare and come to a conclusion.
I was surprised the 5500 didn't do worse considering the video's title, but Steve's main gripe seems to be that it is late to the market, not that it is awful.
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It's late and expensive compared to the Intel offering (which would surely be paired with a budget B660 and DDR4, with a similar platform cost to AMD) and no better/slower in gaming. I'd say the criticism is fair. He was fairly positive about the 5600 in his review of that. I just don't see the supposed bias.
Soldato
Have you priced up a B660 board, you are looking at minimum £95-100 for an entry level ASRock board, even the H610's are about £70 and they are the equivalent of a £45 A520 board. Don't forget people shopping at this end of the market need to put every £ spent where it will give what they need the most, not just a badge or a name on a box.
I don't see how anything is late, since the CPU's it is competing against came out the end of Jan start of Feb, so 8 weeks ago.
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Alright, I forgot about the H610/A520. Even then going for the cheapest in both cases the Intel still has a £25 price advantage.
And in terms of being late I'm not talking about their competitor but their own previous product releases, there wasn't an 18 month gap between high-end and entry-level releases within the same family for Ryzen 3000.
And in terms of being late I'm not talking about their competitor but their own previous product releases, there wasn't an 18 month gap between high-end and entry-level releases within the same family for Ryzen 3000.
Soldato
12100f + H610 = £167
R5 5500 + B450/A520 = £182
So £15 difference.
Why would AMD want to compete against themselves? They let Intel take the low hanging, low margin fruit, when the silicon supply shortage was in full swing and made the most profit per wafer. You could buy a 10400f, or 11400f if you wanted a budget system or if you wanted better performance you bought the 5600X/5800X, now they have the 12100f/12400f and shortages are not as bad you get a raft of other parts to compete on price/performance again.
When was the last time there was a global pandemic so that an 18 month gap could be compared to as an outlier, or atypical? There wasn't one while personal computers have existed, so the data is moot.
The 3100/3300 weren't really available for DIY either, was practically a paper launch.
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The 5500 seems to be £145 in most places and the cheapest A520 is around £42 so it's around a £20 difference (I had based my prices on here).
It's obvious why AMD didn't release them sooner, it's just disappointing after the popularity of their previous non-X SKUs. And now when they have arrived it's against stiff competition, where they could have dominated the entire lineup if these had come sooner. In light of CPUs like the 12100F the 5500 is far less compelling. But they wanted to notch up their ASP and margins, no surprise there.
Good point.
If you already have an am4 board with a 1200,1300,1400,1500x,2300x, I think the 5500 is a decent drop in upgrade. Much easier than moving whole platform to get the i3. If you're buying a new pc then the i3 might be the way to go.
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Agreed, although I'd say the 5600 would be worth the extra to keep the setup going for longer in that scenario.
I have a 3100 certainly wasn't difficult to buy
It was out for a few week then disappeared.