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**AMD Radeon 390X Graphics Card WCE**

doubt it, I would say their target market in recent years has been sub £300 single GPU users.

the290 is afantastic card for 1080p gaming which is the norm. You xfire users may talk a lot but you aren't the bread and butter by any stretch for every SLI/Xfire system we build we build 10 or more single GPU ones.

Indeed!
 
damn I cant wait for the 390x.

I hope its what its living up to be from the benchmarks, if not I cant wait for two 2nd hand cheap 290x's to play with as I personally love crossfire :D
 
What's to doubt? The Titan X is basically looking like a 980 +50%, so it's not stretching credulity to believe that HBM + core advancements won't make a 390X 60% better than a 290X.

Until the reviews are in there's plenty to doubt, there's always mad numbers and percentages floating about before gpu releases and more often than not the product can;t live upto them as they're wildly inflated.
 
I think some people don't believe how much a difference HBM will make.

Have you ever tried similar cards one with DDR4 and one with GDDR5 ?

The difference is very noticeable and 50-60% isn't that crazy of an increase imo for HBM (new tech).

Looking at bit bus we are talking maybe even bigger gains at 1440p and 4K than most will suspect.

I'm sure it will be good, but one thing to remember. A lot of the time the first iteration of a new memory technology isn't any quicker than the previous tech.
 
damn I cant wait for the 390x.

I hope its what its living up to be from the benchmarks, if not I cant wait for two 2nd hand cheap 290x's to play with as I personally love crossfire :D

Likewise, I think the best thing for me that will come from the 3xx series will be nicely reduced prices on second hand 290x's for tri-fire ;)
 
I'm waiting for the 295x2 to hit £300 so I can go tri-fire.

That should see me good until the 390X hits the current 290X price levels.
 
I'm sure it will be good, but one thing to remember. A lot of the time the first iteration of a new memory technology isn't any quicker than the previous tech.

Um, no. This isn't DDR.

HBM has a massive bandwidth increase over GDDR5 (even massively overclocked) and should enjoy a significant latency advantage over it as well, as it's part of the GPU package. This whilst operating at 30-40% of the power draw (not 30-40% less, 30-40% of).

Memory bandwidth is the biggest limiting factor at higher resolutions.

Also makes cooling solutions easier and more elegant (even if the chip / heatsink is huge), since you no longer need heatsinks and cooling for GDDR chips mounted on the PCB and the shroud doesn't have to take account of them. Card can also be smaller. Likewise re: complexity of circuitry on the PCB.

Furthermore it presents fewer points of failure and means there should be lower failure rates due to OEMs monkeying around less with the reference PCB design and using all manner of different GDDR bins at different clocks and voltages. They can instead concentrate on things like really good, whine free capacitors - like the more expensive ones on good PSUs - to differentiate themselves.

Everything about this shift is great, with the possible exception of initial cost and supply.
 
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i'd make it the beginning of May, they're probably hoping to sell more 290s, so they dont have too much wasted stock gathering dust.

AMD realise that they'll sell flipping loads whenever it's launched, because Titan X is loosing its momentum already..there is only one thing needed to sell this card and to destroy Nvidia for this year......... more grunt than Titan X.

price?......... no, only a fool would get this wrong

there is one really important point here, a fly in the soup, Titan X is the best card for me ...............damn it :mad::mad:

i dont understand the clearing old stock thing at all
maybe some1 here can educate me but i dont see how saying "we not releasing new cards until we sell the old ones" makes ppl want to buy the old ones!!?

and the only thing that makes the tx attractive to gamers right now is they being starved out! >< they will eat a p00p sandwich right now!
 
i dont understand the clearing old stock thing at all
maybe some1 here can educate me but i dont see how saying "we not releasing new cards until we sell the old ones" makes ppl want to buy the old ones!!

Even if yields are good and supply of HBM is plentiful, if it's anywhere near as fast as anticipated, demand is likely to vastly outstrip supply initially, especially if they launch it before they have to.

Why wouldn't they whittle down existing inventory at a relatively higher price whilst stockpiling as many of the new chips as they can before launch?

It's bad for AMD if demand massively outstrips supply and it's horrible for consumers - as price gouging would be epic.
 
Even if yields are good and supply of HBM is plentiful, if it's anywhere near as fast as anticipated, demand is likely to vastly outstrip supply initially, especially if they launch it before they have to.

Why wouldn't they whittle down existing inventory at a relatively higher price whilst stockpiling as many of the new chips as they can before launch?

It's bad for AMD if demand massively outstrips supply and it's horrible for consumers - as price gouging would be epic.

ok i cant disagree with that (i dont know enough about it) but you missed the whole point i was asking about
why come out publicly saying it!
i dont see how that helps sales at all!
 
i dont understand the clearing old stock thing at all
maybe some1 here can educate me but i dont see how saying "we not releasing new cards until we sell the old ones" makes ppl want to buy the old ones!!?

and the only thing that makes the tx attractive to gamers right now is they being starved out! >< they will eat a p00p sandwich right now!

wasted stock is lost revenue, but it aint going to sell anyway because everyone will be waiting for new cards instead

the trouble is the new cards will be a similar price or a hundred quid more, making the old 290X suddenly redundant and pretty much worthless after June.
 
wasted stock is lost revenue, but it aint going to sell anyway because everyone will be waiting for new cards instead

the trouble is the new cards will be a similar price or a hundred quid more, making the old 290X suddenly redundant and pretty much worthless after June.

i find it hard to believe the 390 is ready even, they could release it at 980 money, the 290 is midrange price pretty much right now anyway
 
ok i cant disagree with that (i dont know enough about it) but you missed the whole point i was asking about
why come out publicly saying it!
i dont see how that helps sales at all!

Gibbo was the guy who said that AMD wanted to clear as much of their old stock as possible........ the launch date in june is to give more time to clear their old stock......... more time to finish the 390X/ build up mass hysteria to maximise initial sales and finally, to frustrate Nvidia as much as possible :D

unfortunately, they could've launched in 3 weeks time :mad:............THEY MIGHT STILL DO.
 
It's going to be a lot more than £100 more than a 290X, you can guarantee that. More than double most likely for an 8GB SKU.
 
Depending on performance, which we don't know yet, I'd more than happily pay about £600-700 i'd say, from what we've seen so far.

I got back into the PC game at totally wrong time, new CPU's later this year, new GPU's soon.. :(
 
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