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**AMD Radeon 390X Graphics Card WCE**

SiDeards73 said:
The problem is the Nvidia fans flat out refuse to believe AMD can pull of such a thing, they need some justification to lay against the cost of the TitanX, so they choose to ridicule the very thought that those specs are even remotely anywhere in the same country as the truth.

The fact is only AMD know the power of the card and its potential with HBM, everything else is merely speculation, until we see actual specs of the card and then true benchmarks it's all just theory and conjecture.

I will say once again though I believe HBM to be a game changer, Nvidia are planning to use it, so while I am skeptical I also will not be surprised if the 390x is near the quoted figures in regards to performance, I also expect it to come in around £600 or so, I have no evidence of any of this however I have a hunch AMD have something huge up their sleeves, if not then I'm sure you would have seen specs released by now.

All these "leaks" are fuelling the hype train, something AMD normally don't bother with as lately their cards haven't really been overly special, but like I said a while ago I just think this time they are holding the trump card with smug "you ain't seen nothing yet" grind on their faces

I could also be terribly wrong tho as well lol
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The thing is that AMD fans get so butt hurt about what nvidia fans think. Which is what is just so dumb about the whole thing because really who cares? Fan boys suck deal with it. You don't have to justify your purchase to anyone but yourself (and maybe your wife).

I imagine many AMD users don't think AMD can pull it off they all hope that AMD can most nvidia fans secretly want it to do well too because it will make nvidia up their game which we already know they can do. We know they sell gimped cards because AMD let them.
 
TwsT said:
The thing is that AMD fans get so butt hurt about what nvidia fans think. Which is what is just so dumb about the whole thing because really who cares? Fan boys suck deal with it. You don't have to justify your purchase to anyone but yourself (and maybe your wife).

I imagine many AMD users don't think AMD can pull it off they all hope that AMD can most nvidia fans secretly want it to do well too because it will make nvidia up their game which we already know they can do. We know they sell gimped cards because AMD let them.
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Most NV Fans blame AMD for their problems because to admit Nvidia take advantage of their user base is like insulting their Grandmother.
 
I don't know how AMD made nvidia gimp (if that's what you want to call it although proper testing has shown 3.5GB doesn't make a difference till insane settings are used). The 290's that are older have 4GB solid VRAM so I don't know how AMD have forced nvidia to "gimp" their own.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I don't know how AMD made nvidia gimp (if that's what you want to call it although proper testing has shown 3.5GB doesn't make a difference till insane settings are used). The 290's that are older have 4GB solid VRAM so I don't know how AMD have forced nvidia to "gimp" their own.
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Right.

Its #### all to do with AMD, they thought with their user base they could get away with it.
 
Really want to see the reference cooler on the non watercooled 390X. Wonder if they've learnt their lesson from that hot plastic blower on the 290 series.
 
I think Twst means that they (Nvidia) do the least they can get away with when it comes to new GPU's because AMD aren't pushing them, not that they purposely balls up their own cards.

Though the 390x sounds like it might push Nvidia hard...
 
AMD didn't make nvidia gimp it, nvidia saved money. What AMD did was not release a card for ages. IF AMD had dropped 8GB 290X's in july last year it would have been GG nvidia the 980 would have been the 970 and the 980 would have had the titan chip. Nvidia have been so confident in their normally second tier chip they've been releasing it as flagship. That is AMD's fault.

If you can get away with releasing the same generation of chip twice you essentially half the RND costs. Nvidia have been saving money for teh best part of 3 years because realistically nothing has threatened them. Nothing has pushed them to the point that they've had to unleash the beast.

Look at the 290X release Nvidia just dropped the 780ti to match it. boom. nvidia should have had to release the 780Ti first they shouldn't have been able to hold off releasing such a thing, That is down to the market and the lack of competition from 680's release to the 290X release. Which like it or not is AMD's fault for being slow to react. They are the only competition and if they aren't being competitive nvidia will take advantage.
 
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TwsT said:
AMD didn't make nvidia gimp it


Nvidia have been so confident in their normally second teir chip they've been releasing it as flagship.

That is AMD's fault.
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No it really is the customers fault buying a high end card thinking its a flagship when it just isnt.
The customers are not thinking normally about what they buy as they dont indulge into what they are buying as its a percived value not the value itself and then the rationalization happen to defend the act itself (buy) without even understanding the action they did in the first place.

Oh btw, the new King of the hill the 390x is coming
the 290 series been the king of the hill for 18 months so soon its replaced by the new king the 390x. I know what amd produced vs what nvidia produced and as far Nvidia havent produced anything better for 2 years now.

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flopper the 1st paragraph of your post was actually good.

The 2nd is just your usual fanboy nonsense, you know fine well the 2 series from AMD has not been king of the hill for the past 18 months and you can't say the 390x will be until we see what it can do...

Linking a graph for 1 game doesn't cut it when there's many more benchmarks people could link with the 980 stomping the 290x.
 
flopper said:
No it really is the customers fault buying a high end card thinking its a flagship when it just isnt.
The customers are not thinking normally about what they buy as they dont indulge into what they are buying as its a percived value not the value itself and then the rationalization happen to defend the act itself (buy) without even understanding the action they did in the first place.

Oh btw, the new King of the hill the 390x is coming
the 290 series been the king of the hill for 18 months so soon its replaced by the new king the 390x. I know what amd produced vs what nvidia produced and as far Nvidia havent produced anything better for 2 years now.

nwhctk.jpg
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Can i get a fanboy warning before you drop dribble like that please.

If you say so mate
I have a 290 and owned a 780ti I just chose to sell the 780ti whilst it had value had nothing to do with its performance.

I am sure I can find 1 benchmark where the 780ti beats a 290x...... That wasn't the point.

the 780ti wasn't nvidias flagship they held on to those chips for over a year becuase they could. Yes the customers let them but so did AMD. People have money to spend they want to spend it. AMD fail time and time again to capitalise when they have an advantage the the 290X 8gb is a perfect example. Gibbo got a world exclusive and they sold out. AMD took over 6 months to release them that was 6 months of doing nothing on a product Gibbo proved worked. All they had to do was authorise the board partners instead they let nvidia release the 970 and 980 before they did anything.

Basically i'm saying it's high time AMD stopped pretending to be the nice guy and actually release a monster that will kick nvidia up the arse. You can justify to yourself they have already done that but the figures don't lie. the 970 rocked the 1080p gaming arena thats the money market not everyone games at 4k yet not everyone games at 1440p 1080p is the norm


http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

some actual no bias figures for you.

Primary Display Resolution
800 x 6000.07%-0.01%
1024 x 600 0.13% -0.02%
1024 x 768 2.46% +0.05%
1024 x 819 0.01% 0.00%
1067 x 600 0.01% 0.00%
1120 x 700 0.01% 0.00%
1152 x 720 0.01% 0.00%
1152 x 864 0.27% +0.01%
1176 x 664 0.02% 0.00%
1179 x 661 0.00% 0.00%
1280 x 600 0.01% 0.00%
1280 x 720 1.06% -0.01%
1280 x 768 0.48% -0.01%
1280 x 800 2.08% -0.11%
1280 x 960 0.28% 0.00%
1280 x 1024 5.82% -0.13%
1344 x 840 0.02% +0.01%
1360 x 768 3.06% +0.01%
1360 x 1024 0.01% 0.00%
1366 x 768 26.43% -0.37%
1368 x 768 0.04% 0.00%
1400 x 1050 0.08% 0.00%
1414 x 794 0.01% 0.00%
1440 x 810 0.01% 0.00%
1440 x 900 5.32% +0.03%
1440 x 960 0.08% 0.00%
1536 x 864 1.48% +0.09%
1536 x 960 0.01% 0.00%
1600 x 900 7.55% +0.05%
1600 x 1024 0.05% 0.00%
1600 x 1200 0.26% 0.00%
1680 x 945 0.03% 0.00%
1680 x 1050 5.15% -0.10%
1707 x 960 0.01% 0.00%
1707 x 1067 0.01% 0.00%
1768 x 992 0.10% -0.01%
1776 x 1000 0.05% 0.00%
1804 x 1014 0.01% 0.00%
1824 x 1026 0.03% 0.00%
1842 x 1026 0.01% 0.00%
1842 x 1036 0.03% 0.00%
1862 x 1048 0.01% 0.00%
1920 x 1080 34.02% +0.54%
1920 x 1200 1.70% -0.02%
2048 x 1152 0.07% 0.00%
2560 x 1080 0.14% 0.00%
2560 x 1440 1.03% +0.02%
2560 x 1600 0.09% -0.01%
2880 x 1800 0.01% 0.00%
3440 x 1440 0.03% +0.01%
3840 x 2160 0.05% +0.01%
5760 x 1080 0.06% 0.00%
Other 0.26% +0.01%
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even if you are nice and include 1920 x 1200 not even 5% of all steam users who agreed to the hardware review were above 1080p

that is why we sold 4000 970's a month
 
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TwsT said:
Can i get a fanboy warning before you drop dribble like that please.

If you say so mate
I have a 290 and owned a 780ti I just chose to sell the 780ti whilst it had value had nothing to do with its performance.

I am sure I can find 1 benchmark where the 780ti beats a 290x...... That wasn't the point.

the 780ti wasn't nvidias flagship they held on to those chips for over a year becuase they could. Yes the customers let them but so did AMD. People have money to spend they want to spend it. AMD fail time and time again to capitalise when they have an advantage the the 290X 8gb is a perfect example. Gibbo got a world exclusive and they sold out. AMD took over 6 months to release them that was 6 months of doing nothing on a product Gibbo proved worked. All they had to do was authorise the board partners instead they let nvidia release the 970 and 980 before they did anything.

Basically i'm saying it's high time AMD stopped pretending to be the nice guy and actually release a monster that will kick nvidia up the arse. You can justify to yourself they have already done that but the figures don't lie. the 970 rocked the 1080p gaming arena thats the money market not everyone games at 4k yet not everyone games at 1440p 1080p is the norm


http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

some actual no bias figures for you.
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Easy, This forum will implode if you keep talking sense ;)
 
I'm not even a fan boy I am currently rocking a freesync set up. but the figures don't lie


Everyone looks at benchmarks through rose tinted glasses and sees what they want.

1080p gaming gained more % of users than any higher resolution.

You guys gaming at 2560x 1440p and above (myself included) are a very small niche you are not the money pot.

by those stats i posted above 25% of steam users are laptop gamers running 1366 x 768.

The 390x may take on the titan who knows but it's not going to impact on 970 sales Nvidia do more damage to themselves than AMD do to them, If it's £600 and it needs to rock the titan. beating the 980 for that money isn't good enough . Even then the performance has got to excuse the hideous cooler that will put many potential people off.
 
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TwsT said:
Yes the customers let them but so did AMD. People have money to spend they want to spend it. AMD fail time and time again to capitalise when they have an advantage the the 290X 8gb is a perfect example. Gibbo got a world exclusive and they sold out. AMD took over 6 months to release them
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You overlook the blindness of people when it comes to justifying their own choices and their ability to move goalposts.

If you stuck a 290x and a 970 side by side, you probably couldn't tell the difference. Now that the 290x has had its price cut it offers more fps for your money that a 970. From a purely performance viewpoint it's a better card than the 970. However, go into any thread and no enthusiast is talking about fps. Suddenly it's the power draw that's the most important thing. The goalposts are thusly moved. If AMD had released an 8gb card at an earlier time, the 970 would have outsold it five to one because 8gb would be overkill and thus the goal moves again. At some point a gif of a jet engine with an AMD logo superimposed would appear in the thread and there would be much chortling and merriment.

AMD have a lot to do to address their lack of market share but the quality of their products isn't one of them. What would you rather pay 200 quid for? A 290 or an overclocked 960, even if the latter had 4gb RAM?
 
Twst gm204 always was mid range, just like gk104.
They are a shared family marked up gor mid range desktop-laptop gpus.
Why was it so hard for some people who consider themselves enthusiasts on here to still insist gm204 was a true flagship.
 
Well power efficiency and looks have a factor too. but I agree I haven't sold the 290 for a 970 for a reason.

Reference 290 I have has a monster cooler on it to keep it a 40 the 970 sits at 40 all day long at 1080p

Nvidia exploit a situation and the only people that can change that are AMD. It seems nvidia can take a sawn off and shoot themselves right in the foot and still come out on top. Somehow.

I can't explain peoples blindness but getting bitter about fanboys won't fix the problem.

I honestly think if the 290X 8gb had come out in july last year the nvidia launch would have been very different. It's those things I hold AMD responsible for.
 
yeh altho i agree they do some dumb stuff i dont see how a 290 8gb would help 1080p sales :)
tho their delays are not good, and they do miss a lot of things that would cost them very little money but make their sales so much better
for me if they want to sell pc gaming cards they need to be on twitch and they need to be making streaming a smooth/easy thing, that to me is obvious, little cost huge reward, and its just where pc gaming is at right now
 
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