**AMD Radeon 390X Graphics Card WCE**

[TwsT]

Yeah it's a bit strange mentioning an 8gb card then going on to show the most played resolutions are 1366x768 and 1920x1080.

yeah pick holes in my crazy thought patterns becuase you have nothing to actually say.....

The point about the 8gb card was that it would have pushed nvidia. the GM 204 is a mid range chip that goes toe to toe with the current flagship AMD cards at the popular resolutions. I'm saying Nvidia shouldn't be allowed to release a mid range chip to challenge AMD's flag ship. If you think AMD aren't accountable for their slowness to react and capitalise on trends then I despair.

Do you honestly think nvidia would have come to the table with just 4gb (3.5+.5) 970 offerings if AMD were smashing out 8gb cards. I don't, nvidia aren't stupid they know exactly what they are doing which is what left such a salty taste in some 970 owners mouths.

anyway I have a review to write. I'll be waiting to see some real benchmarks when 8pack gets his hands on a 390x

 

[Mei]

yeh it certainly wouldnt of hurt to release them a lot sooner huh
especially if it wouldnt cost them much

 

[humbug]

AMD didn't make nvidia gimp it, nvidia saved money. What AMD did was not release a card for ages. IF AMD had dropped 8GB 290X's in july last year it would have been GG nvidia the 980 would have been the 970 and the 980 would have had the titan chip. Nvidia have been so confident in their normally second tier chip they've been releasing it as flagship. That is AMD's fault.

If you can get away with releasing the same generation of chip twice you essentially half the RND costs. Nvidia have been saving money for teh best part of 3 years because realistically nothing has threatened them. Nothing has pushed them to the point that they've had to unleash the beast.

Look at the 290X release Nvidia just dropped the 780ti to match it. boom. nvidia should have had to release the 780Ti first they shouldn't have been able to hold off releasing such a thing, That is down to the market and the lack of competition from 680's release to the 290X release. Which like it or not is AMD's fault for being slow to react. They are the only competition and if they aren't being competitive nvidia will take advantage.

No, its your fault for blaming AMD for everything Nvidia do that you don't like.

If you and the rest of spent half as much energy on being critical of Nvidia for what Nvidia do they wouldn't release the half baked cards you complain about.

Nvidia do what they do because they know they have you hock line and sinker, they know they have you eating out of thier hands to the extent where they know if they #### you over the first thing you will do is look for a way to blame AMD.

 

[Stanners]

No, its your fault for blaming AMD for everything Nvidia do that you don't like.

If you and the rest of spent half as much energy on being critical of Nvidia for what Nvidia do they wouldn't release the half baked cards you complain about.

Nvidia do what they do because they know they have you hock line and sinker, they know they have you eating out of thier hands to the extent where they know if they #### you over the first thing you will do is look for a way to blame AMD.

And here starts the defense of how AMD are in no way to blame for the their own slumping sales etc. Nvidia are far from perfect(very far infact) but they know how to capitalize as AMD seems clueless when it comes to this aspect.

 

[humbug]

And here starts the defense of how AMD are in no way to blame for the their own slumping sales etc. Nvidia are far from perfect(very far infact) but they know how to capitalize as AMD seems clueless when it comes to this aspect.

I blame AMD for AMD's Problems, we aren't the ones suckered in by a hardware vendor.

 

[Mtom]

yeah pick holes in my crazy thought patterns becuase you have nothing to actually say.....

The point about the 8gb card was that it would have pushed nvidia. the GM 204 is a mid range chip that goes toe to toe with the current flagship AMD cards at the popular resolutions. I'm saying Nvidia shouldn't be allowed to release a mid range chip to challenge AMD's flag ship. If you think AMD aren't accountable for their slowness to react and capitalise on trends then I despair.

Do you honestly think nvidia would have come to the table with just 4gb (3.5+.5) 970 offerings if AMD were smashing out 8gb cards. I don't, nvidia aren't stupid they know exactly what they are doing which is what left such a salty taste in some 970 owners mouths.

anyway I have a review to write. I'll be waiting to see some real benchmarks when 8pack gets his hands on a 390x

In fact it takes only a bit more time for AMD to release 390X over 290X (18months) than nv to release 980 over 780 (16 months). That includes that AMD postponed the release date.
I think the expectations are a bit high for AMD....beat nv on speed...catch up in power efficiency...be cheaper...and release faster all this...

 

[snips86x]

I'm not even a fan boy I am currently rocking a freesync set up. but the figures don't lie

Everyone looks at benchmarks through rose tinted glasses and sees what they want.

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I agree with that but from my point of view, all these benchmarks for 4k are pointless too - which doesn't aid me in making a GPU purchase.

 

[Mal X]

Yeah it's a bit strange mentioning an 8gb card then going on to show the most played resolutions are 1366x768 and 1920x1080.

yea but 4gb is starting to run out at 1080p, so 8gb deffo makes sense

the 290X deffo isn't king of the hill, when the 970 came out it destroyed it in sales, it suddenly made the 290X look very old and way too expensive..... hence AMD had to lower it's prices so much, even so, no competition

the 970 was :- too cheap, too quiet, too efficient, too close in performance and finally, looked much better ( Asus Strix)

 

[TwsT]

In fact it takes only a bit more time for AMD to release 390X over 290X (18months) than nv to release 980 over 780 (16 months). That includes that AMD postponed the release date.
I think the expectations are a bit high for AMD....beat nv on speed...catch up in power efficiency...be cheaper...and release faster all this...

but thats what you expect on a £600 card

I hope the 390X trashes the titan X We all do!

but wheres the 380x?

where is the card the average user wants? no they still get a reduced 290 or a better performing cooler quieter 970

 

[humbug]

I agree with that but from my point of view, all these benchmarks for 4k are pointless too - which doesn't aid me in making a GPU purchase.

Those 4K results are not pointless, they show up the fact that the 970/80 can't deal with anything beyond a certain stress level that the AMD cards can.

Its another example of Nvidia doing just enough to keep the majority happy and no more than that.

 

[Mtom]

but thats what you expect on a £600 card

I hope the 390X trashes the titan X We all do!

but wheres the 380x?

where is the card the average user wants? no they still get a reduced 290 or a better performing cooler quieter 970

I agree on that. You expect a top card to top in everything. Also agree its stupid amd postponed the lesser cards as well.

My main point was the late thing..they are not late. the release dates for the two companies are offset for a while now.

 

[Ayahuasca]

yeah pick holes in my crazy thought patterns becuase you have nothing to actually say.....

I did have something to say, I said it

Stop getting your knickers in a twist man just pointing out a little contradiction.

 

[snips86x]

Those 4K results are not pointless, they show up the fact that the 970/80 can't deal with anything beyond a certain stress level that the AMD cards can.

Its another example of Nvidia doing just enough to keep the majority happy and no more than that.

Maybe not to you, but they are to me. Personally I don't care for 4k at the moment and only interested in 1440p results but most benches are flooded with 4k.

 

[TwsT]

Those 4K results are not pointless, they show up the fact that the 970/80 can't deal with anything beyond a certain stress level that the AMD cards can.

Its another example of Nvidia doing just enough to keep the majority happy and no more than that.

which is where the money is which was the whole point.

Why don't AMD release a card that achieves the best performance for the average user.


you 1%'s may get better VFM from AMD products but average joe doesn't see that and that is what I'm saying AMD are partly responsible for. IT is AMD's job to remove the green tinted glasses from the Average JOE. because it's blatantly obvious Nvidia can do what they want and nothing changes for them. You can sit their being satisfied but you make up such a small percentile.

This isn't like Apple vs Android This nvidia getting their cake and eating it.


normally average Joe goes for compromise and pays less. but they aren't they are paying more. How is that nvidias fault?

 

[Squink]

but wheres the 380x?

I can only imagine AMD are looking to do a full, unified product range that is easy for the customer to identify. E.g. is a card starting with a 2 always worse than one starting with a 3? Not necessarily! Holding back and releasing a complete overhaul allows them time to dispose of old stock (they won't want 380xs and 290s next to each other on the shelf) and to remove fragmentation from their product range.

Let's just hope the 390 series is something special.

 

[humbug]

which is where the money is which was the whole point.

Why don't AMD release a card that achieves the best performance for the average user.


you 1%'s may get better VFM from AMD products but average joe doesn't see that and that is what I'm saying AMD are partly responsible for. IT is AMD's job to remove the green tinted glasses from the Average JOE. because it's blatantly obvious Nvidia can do what they want and nothing changes for them. You can sit their being satisfied but you make up such a small percentile.

AMD have a lot more bandwidth Muscle, that bandwidth muscle doesn't matter at 1080P.
Its not as cheap on Die Space, Components or Power-Consumption, so maybe your right. Maybe they shouldn't make such powerful GPU's, they can save on costs and Power-Consumption.

What was your original complaint again? do you want to look at that again?

 

[Ayahuasca]

Why don't AMD release a card that achieves the best performance for the average user.

Their 2 series cards are still competetive for the average user. Apart from these forums where 5 fps difference makes people dribble in their pants who really cares?

That's why I pointed out the 8GB 290x, would have made no difference when it was released as the majority of users don't need an 8GB card, not until a single card can utilise all that bandwidth properly anyway which is what we'll hopefully see with HBM.

 

[Mal X]

it's interesting what's been said about lazy Nvidia, had it too easy etc, because this deffo reflects in the Titan X.... because you must admit that it does look cheap and unfinished....no backplate and an old cooler cover that's been used twice before.

it looks like they've quickly banged it out, now why?

maybe they knew the 390X was a much better card back in january, so they've decided to waste no time and get it out real quick, in these quiet next 3 months.

i'm beginning to sense this quite strongly

 

[TwsT]

My complaint is that time and time again AMD undersell themselves and react slowly You can say they don't all you want but the market share doesn't lie.


Maybe if you stopped looking for the argument you'd see I want AMD to prosper and that I think its a good thing but the onus is on them....

 

[TwsT]

it's interesting what's been said about lazy Nvidia, had it too easy etc, because this deffo reflects in the Titan X.... because you must admit that it does look cheap and unfinished....no backplate and an old cooler cover that's been used twice before.

it looks like they've quickly banged it out, now why?

maybe they knew the 390X was a much better card back in january, so they've decided to waste no time and get it out real quick, in these quiet next 3 months.

i'm beginning to sense this quite strongly

My guess is they are scared of the 390X the nvidia jimmies have been substantially rustled imo.

I suppose we will find out in a few days.


if the 390x does well and the 380x comes out quickly after AMD will actually do what I want them to do which is sock it to nvidia. This can only be good for the market which is all I want!