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**AMD Radeon 390X Graphics Card WCE**

TwsT said:
This isn't like Apple vs Android This nvidia getting their cake and eating it.

normally average Joe goes for compromise and pays less. but they aren't they are paying more. How is that nvidias fault?
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Being like Apple is what every company dreams of. Release a product every year that costs you 80 quid to R&D and manufacture and sell it for 600 quid, whilst simultaneously locking you in to the ecosystem. A bit like gsync. Then sit back safe in the knowledge that no matter how gimped the product is (eg selling it with 16gb storage), people will queue round the block for 2 weeks to buy one. Not quite like the 960 but that's still a deliberately gimped product.

No matter that Android really is just as good as ios and no matter that htc make phones just as attractive as apple ones, there are tens of millions of people who'll only ever buy an iPhone.

I see my previous paragraph as a reasonable reflection of the current state of nvidia vs amd. No matter what amd do or what product they release, some people will just never buy them. People in general are pretty stupid.
 
People are stupid but it is upto AMD to fix that you can't sit around saying people are stupid WCYD

Capitalism doesn't work like that.


Look at other brands who make PSU's they used to make good ones now they sell rubbish ones off their reputation for the same price. Eventually that company will pay the price but for now the blinkers are on and the people are buying.
 
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TwsT said:
My guess is they are scared of the 390X the nvidia feathers have been substantially ruffled imo.

I suppose we will find out in a few days.
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yea exactly, because you can sense that something huge is coming

the 380X mid range ??????????? nothing has been said, but then again nothing much has been said about 390X either...... only one leak on friday !!

the social media is only interested in the 390X.....obviously...........especially this year :eek::eek:
 
TwsT said:
My complaint is that time and time again AMD undersell themselves and react slowly You can say they don't all you want but the market share doesn't lie.


Maybe if you stopped looking for the argument you'd see I want AMD to prosper and that I think its a good thing but the onus is on them....
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I'm not looking for an argument fella it's just I don't think things are as straightforward as you're trying to make out.

AMD's timescales between cards as pointed out on the last page are similar to nvidia's. Being first to market in an area where your opponent dominates isn't necessarily a good thing either, you release a product that's the fastest thing yet people are still going to wait and see what the big dog can do and once they know what AMD's card can achieve this allows nvidia to tweak there's to make it look better.

I don't think AMD actually need the performance crown, they want to keep their cards priced well and offer similar performance, they win some they lose some. It's their marketing they need to work on.
 
These have already been mentioned 100 times but I want to emphasize on them as they play a major role in purchasing be it for HD or 4K.

1) AMD should first and foremost come out with driver updates like Nvidia do.

2) They should ditch the whole Raptr POS and do there own recording software like Shadowplay.

3) They should low power consumption

I personally love GPUs (its like a drug addiction) of any brand be it AMD or Nvidia.

All we need is AMD to start pushing harder (smarter basically) to have the money to throw into R&D, driver support etc etc.
 
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I have a feeling that 390x won't be that optimal card for 1080p gaming anyways. AMD's poor dx11 drivers make sure that the card will be way too often cpu bound to be able to match Titan X in most benches. This might be one of the reasons we see mostly 4k benches.
 
TwsT said:
My complaint is that time and time again AMD undersell themselves and react slowly You can say they don't all you want but the market share doesn't lie.


Maybe if you stopped looking for the argument you'd see I want AMD to prosper and that I think its a good thing but the onus is on them....
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+1
 
TwsT said:
My complaint is that time and time again AMD undersell themselves and react slowly You can say they don't all you want but the market share doesn't lie.


Maybe if you stopped looking for the argument you'd see I want AMD to prosper and that I think its a good thing but the onus is on them....
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AMD's marketing is abysmal, they are also a tainted brand, entirely their own fault, past Drivers ecte...

A lot of that is behind them and Nvidia have their own Driver problems amongst other things...

AMD only have themselves to blame for thier current predicament but by the same token they are far from the GPU they were 2 or 3 years ago.

More of Nvidia's faults need to be laid squatly at Nvidia, AMD don't come into it.
 
the AMD 380X will need to compete with the gimped 970............not hard, esp if it has the new memory.

the 390X will need two versions to succeed, one of these has to be air cooled, this is because many gamers hate that damned radiator, me included
 
mulpsmebeauty said:
If you stuck a 290x and a 970 side by side, you probably couldn't tell the difference. Now that the 290x has had its price cut it offers more fps for your money that a 970. From a purely performance viewpoint it's a better card than the 970.
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Like it or not though power draw is important to very many people for whom benchmarks aren't the be all and end all. To use a car analogy do you buy your car based purely on the top speed and (lowest) price? there are countless other factors which are going to be more important in the day to day use of it over the several years that you own it.

AMD users tend to have tunnel vision whereby the only metrics that matter are paper specifications, price and performance which is why they can't understand why people pay more for NVidia.
 
Mei said:
o no not a car analogy!
thats this thread over ;_;
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Just trying to explain in a way that AMD fanboys will understand. :p

I'm sure one of them will probably respond with a benchmark at 4K showing 1fps difference though proving why AMD are better.
 
Ayahuasca said:
I'm not looking for an argument fella it's just I don't think things are as straightforward as you're trying to make out.

AMD's timescales between cards as pointed out on the last page are similar to nvidia's. Being first to market in an area where your opponent dominates isn't necessarily a good thing either, you release a product that's the fastest thing yet people are still going to wait and see what the big dog can do and once they know what AMD's card can achieve this allows nvidia to tweak there's to make it look better.

I don't think AMD actually need the performance crown, they want to keep their cards priced well and offer similar performance, they win some they lose some. It's their marketing they need to work on.
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wasn't directed at you. Your questions have been fine even if my thought patterns are wild! :)

Was directed at Sir Humbug protector of the crimson realm , captain of the red team, over seer of all things claret!
 
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mmj_uk said:
Like it or not though power draw is important to very many people for whom benchmarks aren't the be all and end all. To use a car analogy do you buy your car based purely on the top speed and (lowest) price? there are countless other factors which are going to be more important in the day to day use of it over the several years that you own it.
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Whilst I like a nice car analogy, in this case it doesn't translate well. If you stick a 290x in one case and a 970 in another and sit down to game, you won't notice a difference. Or at least 99.999pc of people won't. On the other hand if you bought a car with no air conditioning or no sat nav when these were important, then it would have a real negative impact on your enjoyment of the car.

With GPUs, if the frames are the same and the noise is about the same, then you have to be really searching to spot differences in image quality. And if you're really searching you're doing it to justify your purchase.

Power draw has never been a problem up till now. The 780ti was no retiring violet when it came to sucking from the wall. Now it appears like it's always been vastly important. Except it wasn't until the 9xx series.
 
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