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AMD Radeon 5600 and 5600 XT speculation

Discussion in 'Graphics Cards' started by Scougar, Dec 29, 2019.

  1. Journey

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    They've effectively created a bigger gap already though.

    Consider this the 5700 XT is within 5-10% of the 2070S, and the 2070S isn't much slower than the 2080 was. The 2080 was released at $699 in Sept' 18, with the next tier up being the 2080 Ti at $1049-1199, so a gap of some $350-500. Now consider the gap, you have the 5700 XT at ~£320 and the 2080 Ti at ~£949-1000, you are instead of having nice small(ish) gaps between price points they've made the 2080S and especially the 2080 Ti look hugely overpriced (they being both AMD and Nvidia)

    It takes a very special person (private buyer not business) to look at a card 3x the price of the RX 5700 XT/ RTX 2070 and say wow great value, when you see the difference being charged. Pulling the market towards what you can offer, and letting those who are willing to splash huge sums of money on something they feel is a worthwhile difference for such a huge price difference.
     
  2. Th0nt

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    Bingo!

    If hardly anyone bought the 2080Ti then they would have to drop the prices toward the $800 which is more realistic for that hardware.
     
  3. Sargatanas2511

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    Absolutely but the problem is that while the 2080Ti stands out on its own they can offer it as a true flagship and charge what they like. It seems plenty of people are more than willing to pay for it regardless of price.

    Hopefully a big Navi card and the 30 series will be much more realistic in terms of price to performance through competition. No consumer benefits from one company dominating.
     
  4. Journey

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    No company benefits from over extending itself in a space that generates such a small amount of actual sales though, the OEM space is where the volume is. They don't really give a stuff about the people on message boards/forums like this one, for every 2080 Ti they sell to an enthusiast, they sell many magnitudes more of the cheaper to make and easier to sell cards in the $100-300 range.

    Why waste precious wafer space making a product that has such a small audience? It's been shown already that the consumer is already benefiting as prices for cards with the performance of the original RTX 2070 have dropped to ~£300 or less. Offering a desktop APU with the performance of something like the RX 570 would be the real winner, it would utterly dominate the market at the low end, and take huge swathes of revenue and market share from the Nvidia, after all why buy a discrete GPU if you have one in your CPU package already?

    I'd love to see the completion heat up, but it needs to be done for the right reasons, at the right time, like a marathon runner planning over a long distance, not like sprinter who gets out of the blocks badly and it is all over before it starts.
     
  5. Sargatanas2511

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    Your best bet would be to ask Nvidia why they 'waste' the space on these cards. Clearly they are selling enough to make them viable or they wouldn't still be available/as expensive.

    You are right though, the money is in the lower end products.
     
  6. Journey

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    Nvidia use the space as that is their only business, they are primarily a GPU manufacturer with a dabble here and there in low power SoC and some automotive. I have no doubt they make massive margins on the higher end kit and that will make it worth their while, but as soon as the prices drop the margins drop and then it really is wasted space.
     
  7. Scougar

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    They aren't making the best they can make. Let's stop pretending they are super elaborate cards. They only thing that genuinely raises price is the adventure into RT. The cards should be half the cost, they have managed to market their way to premium status whilst resting on laurels (IMO), much like Intel.
     
  8. Th0nt

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    That is the consumers fault for being sheep.
     
  9. ANDREW GREEN

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    I'd imagine the best APU AMD could put out would be 1050 level and even that is a push given that would be double the performance of the 2400G. It will probably take moving to GDDR5 and a new node to get in the remit of 570 levels imo.
     
  10. TheRealDeal

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    The ps4 pro api and Xbox one x say otherwise. The ps5 and new Xbox will prove that theory even more wrong soon. They will be expensive chips though so dont know how viable it is. Amd are certainly capable of putting out much more powerful Apu's than they are now. They most likely dont as Apu's are usually bought in laptops and other low power usage machines.
     
  11. ANDREW GREEN

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    Sure they could build an APU that was that fast if they create a whole new motherboard with the space to integrate such large APUs. But that isn't happening on AM4
     
  12. Scougar

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    Rtx 2060 released at 279 USD from EVGA to compete.

    Gonna be interesting on release of the 5600 xt.
     
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  13. Journey

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    Nvidia shot their bolt early again though, dropping to $279 early this week before the 5600XT is out shows that they need to cover off this end of the market, and it allows AMD to simply adjust the pricing down to the $249 (£229) that it was going to be in the first place.

    It makes a better line up from AMD as well ~$179 RX 5500 XT, $249+ RX 5600XT, $299-319 RX 5700, & $349-399 RX 5700XT. An nice set of 4 cards in the same naming range, vs. about 12 from Nvidia
     
  14. Scougar

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    Looks like an EVGA move though, not Nvidia.

    And I agree. Prices "should" be as you suggest IMO.

    I am so close to just saying screw it, buying a 1650 super now, with the intention of giving it as a hand me down to my daughter when AMD RT cards get released so I get a sizeable upgrade.
     
  15. Journey

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    It's an Nvidia move, already confirmed by other AIB's and their pricing dropping.
     
  16. Scougar

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    Huh. Didn't know that. The first day I saw it was about EVGA doing it themselves. Good to know, thanks for that. (Edit: seems.like information is still inconsistent with the competing cheaper 2060. Oc3d just said other information was wrong... Will wait to see how this pans out).

    Still think price/perf has a long way till it is back with value for the consumer, but at least your suggested prices are in line and competitive in the current climate.
     
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  18. Scougar

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    Awesome. Happy about that, as it means supply for those cards won't likely be limited.
     
  19. Sargatanas2511

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  20. LoadsaMoney

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