AMD Radeon R9 290X with Hawaii GPU pictured, has 512-bit 4GB Memory

[LtMatt]

Your quoted image references the 290X not the 280X. He states the 290X is 50Mhz slower than the 7970 GE?

Crap.

Oh well. I guess the 280X is ok then and there is nothing in between the 270X and the 280X. But the price difference is only £50 i suppose.

Damn Sin, you're killing me here.

Actually Sin i was right. It appears to be a typo from Dave.

God dammit i even removed my previous reply. Now i cant remember what i wrote.

 

[LtMatt]

Not only that, with a R9 280X average at £240 and the rumoured R9 290 (not 290X) at £440 (if true), that's a £200 price gap with nothing in between

Can't argue there.

 

[LtMatt]

270X works out to be the price vs performance champ surprisingly.







As for the 280X and the 770.

[H] reviews an ASUS model which is $10 more than a vanilla 280X but still $90 cheaper than the 770 and it also beats the 7970ghz and 770 across the board: http://hardocp.com/article/2013/10/0..._card_review/1

Techreport's review shows the 280x faster than the 770 across the board as well with better raw fps, better frame latency, etc.
http://techreport.com/review/25466/a...graphics-cards

 

[LtMatt]

It's a 7970 rebadge, at 7970 prices.
That's all that matters.


You can get a 7950 at 270x prices.
So how can the 270x be a price/performance champion?

I guess that's not including EOL stock. That was from TechReport btw.

 

[LtMatt]

The problem is, review sites probably will be pressured into not taking into effect the current prices, or it's not going to look good.

The 7XXX are better buys as it stands, and the R's represent less price/performance (Or equal for the 7970)
And there's still no price/performance replacement to the 7950, so the R280X replacing it is kinda moot.

I agree. The 280X is replacing both the 7950 and the 7970 but its coming in at previous 7950 price. Obviously this is before the mad price drops on the 7950 a month or two back which saw them drop below £215. Obviously trying to clear old stock to make way for the new cards. Its just a shame that the new cards are basically the same.

Its going to be interesting to see if there's a big gap in pricing between the 280X and the 290.

Corrr Matt, you've been having a mare over the last 2 pages ain't you?

I was actually correct but Dave's typo threw me for a second. I had to read more of the thread to confirm it.

 

[LtMatt]

Yeah, it's launched at old 7950 pricing.
The problem is, we're living in a world where we've had GTX680's for like 220, and 670's for 160 quid.

7950's for 170, and 7970's for 220.

This wasn't that long ago either.

So far, AMD's RXXX doesn't make any sense for consumers, as it's worse than prior deals.

It's brought some fancy new boxes and coolers and that's about it.

That's how AMD and Nvidia fleece us.

 

[LtMatt]

Like I said months ago, I'll get the lube.

Yep get some for me as well. I'm reasonably happy with what ive got, for now.

 

[LtMatt]

Arm-wrestling on the table for show with one arm, 'touching each others special place' under the table on the other?

Lol Marine that can't be Kosher. I'll remove part of that just in case you want to edit your post.

 

[LtMatt]

I've been wanting more single GPU performance for ages.

But it doesn't look like I'll get it.

Outside chance of 290 at £350-£400? It could happen because to have a gap of £200 for 280X @£250 to £450 for 290 seems a bit much. I agree its unlikely but still.

 

[LtMatt]

Please stop being so wrong, and look at some reviews?

It's a Pitcairn XT. A vanilla 7870, just overclocked.

It's not from the Tahiti (7950) family. It's not a Tahiti LE.

It's a 7870 pre overclocked. And LOL at calling it the "bang for buck champion". Sure, if you completely ignore all the 7xxx series cards that are better VFM.

I guess you didn't read my follow up post.

Scrap my previous comment. It does appear to be either a 7870 or a7870XT from looking at a quick review.

Sorry for being so wrong though. Efforts will be doubled next time.

 

[LtMatt]

If people don't buy it the price will drop. We can moan about it as much as we like but unless we speak with our wallets what difference does it make.

I'm sticking with my 7950's, so im doing my part.

 

[LtMatt]

Todays my Birthday, someone buy me another 7970 Gigabyte windforce

I got you a birthday gift. Its hot, loud and is 12 inches in length.

Spoiler

 

[LtMatt]

That pixel fill rate increase is massive. My 7950's at 1093 mhz = 35 Pixel fill rate x2=70 Pixels. No reason not to think with a good overclock a 290X could beat a stock 7950 xfire setup.

 

[LtMatt]

Since I don’t have any whitepaper with a proper explanation of this diagram, I won’t go into much details here.

What you’re basically looking at is a completely new Hawaii GPU. It is now officially confirmed that Hawaii processor has a die size of 438 mm2 (24% bigger than Tahiti). There are few noticeable changes in comparison its predecessor. First up, we have 44 Compute Units in 4 Shader Engines (Tahiti has 32 CUs). The Geometry Engine and Rasterizer have been moved into Shader Engine. The Hawaii GPU has eight 64-bit memory controllers (vs Tahiti’s six), which gives a total of 512-bit bus width. It also has eight ACE units, which is six more than Tahiti’s.

The CrossFire Compositor has been replaced with CrossFire XDMA. Among VCE and UVD multimedia accelerators you also spot a new TrueAudio DSP.

AMD Radeon R9 290X can process up to 90% more geometry than HD 7970 GHz Edition (4 billion triangles per clock vs Tahiti’s 2.1). The computing performance (single precision floating point) has increased by 30% to 5.6 TFLOPS. Thanks to more Texture Mapping Units and Raster Operating Units we have 30% and 90% fill rate increase for textures and pixels respectively (176 Gtexels/s and 64 Gpixels/s). According to the slide, also the Peak GFLOPs per mm2 has slightly increased by 5% (to 12.8 GFLOPS/mm2).

The R9 290X will be launched next week, that’s when all the details will be explained even further.

Pics and article below.
http://videocardz.com/46610/amd-hawaii-r9-290-series-gpu-diagram-leaks

 

[LtMatt]

It's worth noting that if AMD said anytime before launch "btw these will be awesome prices, £300/£375", then Nvidia would pre-empt the launch and drop prices. If AMD suggest high prices, get reviews and give them prices the day before reviews go live then Nvidia don't have time to adjust pricing and push through price drops before AMD get cards out... and anything they do looks reactive.

Surely AMD will be able to price drop lower than Nvidia due to the extra cost to manufactur a titan?

 

[LtMatt]

It's not as if these AMD cards are cheap to manufacture either..

Not saying they are but bigger die, worse yeilds = more expense.

What are you basing Titan's manufacturing costs on? If it's memory GDDR prices have been quite low for the last few years. So I was told by someone in the industry anyway. *Shrugs and sits this one out*

See above. 6gb of mem vs 4gb is the only other thing i can think of though. I was hoping for drunkenmasters input when i said this.

 

[LtMatt]

ban

Well i thought it was funny.

I apologise for not making it 290X though.

 

[LtMatt]

Please dont be faster than my current setup.

 

[LtMatt]

For example it does not matter to me if the 290X is way better @BF4 as I am never going to play the game (apart from short runs to keep LtMatt amused with my lack of ability).

Kaap im happy to take you and Scotty under my wing. Make you commanders of the Battlefield. One day you both may become as 'pro' as dg.

 

[LtMatt]

hope so to...hope they fix frame rating in trip screen

The 290X comes with hardware frame pacing built in.

Currently only the 690 offers such a solution.