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AMD Radeon RX 5500 XT & Radeon RX 5500 7nm Navi 14 GPUs Unveiled
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Soldato
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They're not bad cards but the pricing is terrible.
Why get a 5500XT for £180 when you can buy an RX590 8GB that is better for £30 less?!? Or spend a bit more for a 1660 Super that is considerably better?
Fair enough they draw less power but that's nothing that a bit of undervolting can't massively improve.
I'm genuinely scratching my head over this.
Why get a 5500XT for £180 when you can buy an RX590 8GB that is better for £30 less?!? Or spend a bit more for a 1660 Super that is considerably better?
Fair enough they draw less power but that's nothing that a bit of undervolting can't massively improve.
I'm genuinely scratching my head over this.
Soldato
This... Many times over.
Cracking deal right now on the 590s. The US doesn't even have as good prices as you guys in the UK do for AMD cards.
Either that... Or stretch to the phenomenal deal on the 5700s that Gibbo advertised tbh.
Glad to see the early prices where just sillyness. 100 over a stock card.. lol.
this.. although im thinking it may have been too late for the 5500xt's hench why they havent released info on the 5600xt's?
a 1660 super beater for the same money is my bet..
i guessed as much. any hints on the 5600xt's performance. ie.. is a 1660 super for 220-230 a really good buy?
Well use common sense and logic, it will be slower than a 5700 and be priced lower than the regular 5700 price of £329, but it will be faster and more expensive than a 5500 XT at £179.
Using that logic you can bet it will perform around a 1660 Super and no doubt be priced around £229 based on current exchange rates if 5500 series prices remain as they are now.
would hope for better performance to be fair. somewhere smack bang in the middle of 1660 super and 5700
Don
Likely yes.
5500XT 4GB needed to be £99 imo, (drop the non-XT version if it even exists) and be a low cost 1080P part.
5600XT if rumours are correct about only having 6GB is going to be in a terrible position (i.e. probably outperformed by the 8GB 5500XT/RX590 in VRAM intensive situations), but yet priced way too high (i.e. for a 6gb card mid range card it needs to be £199)
exactly. but based on the 8gb 5500xt its never going to happen
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So 3 years later, a major die shrink and new architecture we basically have another RX580.
The 8GB 5500XT should be a £150 max product.
If GDDR6 memory costs more than GDDR5 and that is the reason for the higher prices, then I'd have to question why you would opt for in in a card aimed at the sub £200 segment.
The 8GB 5500XT should be a £150 max product.
If GDDR6 memory costs more than GDDR5 and that is the reason for the higher prices, then I'd have to question why you would opt for in in a card aimed at the sub £200 segment.
Soldato
Yup.
Doing an Apple exclusive version of the 5500 was silly. Lucrative for AMD for sure, but end users, heck no. They needed the XT to have there full compliment.
As it stands, it competes against the 1650 super, not the 1650, not the 1660. Price should reflect that. And the problem is... Because the cars isn't using the full compliment, all Nvidia had to do was run the same memory as AMD (14gbps), and it is instantly faster. The AMD card can't keep up because the core isn't doing enough. Hoping that they didn't laser it, and the cores can be enabled.
Caporegime
The 5500XT is the purest example of the tiers being messed up.
Soldato
So 3 years later, a major die shrink and new architecture we basically have another RX580.
The 8GB 5500XT should be a £150 max product.
If GDDR6 memory costs more than GDDR5 and that is the reason for the higher prices, then I'd have to question why you would opt for in in a card aimed at the sub £200 segment.
I think the 4gb should have been 150 or below. The 8gb 170 or below. We are still at market stagnation though for bang for buck. Regardless of MSRP on 570/580/590 the reality is they have been selling for the past year for well under 200. AMD needs to price according to NVIDIA not itself. You complete against others not your own company.
Soldato
Yup. For some reason, AMD seem to market it as a 1660 competitor (and justify it by whooping the 1650 non-super which is basically a dead product now).
Soldato
It's blindingly obvious that the 5500XT will drop in price once the 570/580/590's have all gone.
A cheap to make 12/14nm part with GDDR5 that has been around for 3 years, vs a more expensive part using 7nm and GDDR6. The weird thing is, people are looking at this as a bad option, but maybe that is what it needs to be right now. AMD still cannot be beaten for value with the RX580/590 and game bundle for sub £150 what does it matter if they don't sell this cheaper unless you want the lower power consumption.
CES next month, 5600XT ~$229-239 with performance at the same level as the RTX 2060 or just below it, then maybe a reduction on the 8GB 5500XT in the quiet period Feb onward.
Right now the £200 champ is the GTX 1660 Super though, even if it is a single fan only version, at 33% more expensive than the RX 590 with no game included it's a big step up at the low end of the market, enough to buy 16GB DDR4 RAM or get a 1TB NVMe SSD instead of a 512GB one.
A cheap to make 12/14nm part with GDDR5 that has been around for 3 years, vs a more expensive part using 7nm and GDDR6. The weird thing is, people are looking at this as a bad option, but maybe that is what it needs to be right now. AMD still cannot be beaten for value with the RX580/590 and game bundle for sub £150 what does it matter if they don't sell this cheaper unless you want the lower power consumption.
CES next month, 5600XT ~$229-239 with performance at the same level as the RTX 2060 or just below it, then maybe a reduction on the 8GB 5500XT in the quiet period Feb onward.
Right now the £200 champ is the GTX 1660 Super though, even if it is a single fan only version, at 33% more expensive than the RX 590 with no game included it's a big step up at the low end of the market, enough to buy 16GB DDR4 RAM or get a 1TB NVMe SSD instead of a 512GB one.
Caporegime
The GTX1660 6GB can be had for £180.
Soldato
Right now though you can get the far better 5700 for barely 250 if you are smart and prepared for cash back route.
Soldato
And this is the thing. AMD seem to be pricing against themselves and NOT the competition. I just don't get it.
Caporegime
Must admit I neglect the cash back via Quidco or Top Cashback. Just seems odd, I have had cashback before, but it seems too good to be true even though I'd had it, like how does it even work how do they all make money whilst still giving you cash back.