AMD to launch 12nm Ryzen in February 2018

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http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20170927PD212.html

AMD has informed its partners that it plans to launch in February 2018 an upgrade version of its Ryzen series processors built using a 12nm low-power (12LP) process at Globalfoundries, according to sources at motherboard makers.

The company will initially release the CPUs codenamed Pinnacle 7, followed by mid-range Pinnacle 5 and entry-level Pinnacle 3 processors in March 2018, the sources disclosed. AMD is also expected to see its share of the desktop CPU market return to 30% in the first half of 2018.

AMD will launch the low-power version of Pinnacle processors in April 2018 and the enterprise version Pinnacle Pro in May 2018.

Their corresponding chipsets, the 400 series, will also become available in March 2018 with X470- or B450-based motherboards to be the first to hit the store shelves. The chipsets are still designed by ASMedia and its orders for the chipsets are expected to grow dramatically starting January 2018.

Thanks to stable chip orders for Microsoft's and Sony's game consoles, increased demand for graphics cards, growing sales for its Ryzen 7/5 processors, new Ryzen Pro product line for the enterprise sector and the top-end Ryzen Treadripper processors, AMD managed to achieve 19% sequential growth in second-quarter 2017 revenues and expects the amount to grow further by 23% in the third quarter.

AMD said it does not comment on products that have not been announced.

 

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I wonder if this is a prereq for Ryzen mobile with more than 4 cores...
AMD definitely need a better lineup for laptops if they want to be keeping the pressure on Intel

Ryzen based APU are coming early next year, they are more suitable for Mobile than the Desktop variants we have now, the Ryzen based APU's will have iGPU's.

When they hit AMD will have fast, power efficient mobile APU's with much better Integrated Graphics than Intel.

 

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Been trying to find reference to the Samsung. 5ghz process, and that seems to be the 14nm FINFET process, which this is not. Is that correct?

I.e. I am assuming minimal gains from this process move? So I assume around 10 percent clock improvement, which would be nice. A boost to the IMC would also be amazing.

There is a Samsung Slide with AMD's Chip details on it floating about somewhere but i cannot find it again, i did post it in one of the Ryzen threads ages ago.

The 5Ghz process is Zen 2, this next one is Zen+.

 

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so have amd confirmed the ryzen+ will actually work on the current motherboards or is everyone just assuming this because they have said they will use the AM4 socket.

They wouldn't use the same socket if the chip didn't work in that socket.

 

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yes thats obvious but the chipset isnt the socket now is it. just look at intels shenanigans all we have been told is they will continue with AM4 up to 2020, no one has said your 350/370 mobo will work with newer cpu;s until 2020 unless iv missed something somewhere.

Intel's shenanigans is they change the socket to force you to buy a new board even if the Chipset is the same they just rename too.

AMD are not changing the socket, they are not even changing for Zen 2, same socket, the newer chips will work in the original AM4 boards.

 

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I don't think this is at all difficult to understand, if Zen+ was not compatible with X370 then they wouldn't have the same socket so that it fits, they would change the socket so that it didn't fit. That is what Intel do.

 

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Errm, coffee/kaby use the same socket yet require different chipsets. There is nothing stopping AMD doing this with Zen+ Especially if they have seen how much intel make from chipsets.
The X470 has me interested though, what more could it possibly bring?

They don't require a different chipset, they want to force you to buy a new motherboard with one of their chipsets on it.

At least now i know what GAC is worried about, don't be, AMD could never get away with that sort of shenanigans so it ain't happening.

 

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Vega needs a miracle to survive Volta.

 

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Ryzen is an SOC - it physically does not need a chipset to function. The chipset only adds some extra functions,so I see no reason why the Ryzen refresh next year won't work in the existing motherboards.

Good point.

 

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Surely the only way more PCIe lanes on the chipset would be useful is if the new CPUs actually have more PCIe lanes to give to the chipset in the first place....and we don't know if that'll be the case yet. I'm thinking it's not very likely.

I can't make sense of this.
How many PCIe lanes the Chip-Set has is not dependant on how many the CPU gives it, it doesn't work like that, the Chip-Sets simply behaves as the middle man between IO and the CPU, the CPU is not the determinate of how many PICe lanes the Chip-Set has.

 

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Isn't it with more stuff being on the CPU rather than the motherboard making that the case? The amount of lanes are dependant on the CPU. Hence why IvyB was PCI-E 3.0 and SandyB was PCI-E 2.0 on the same motherboard.

Whereas on 990FX the lanes were dependant on the chipset.

Yes, SandyB and IvyB are also Socket On Chip, they are PCI-E 2.0 and PCI-E 3.0 respectively because thats what was on the CPU.

Bulldozer and Vishera were not SOC, the PCEe controller was on the Chip-Set.

Ryzen has everything on the CPU, it doesn't actually need a Chip-Set at all, in fact Naples (the server platform based on Ryzen EPYC) does not have a Chip-Set.
Whatever Chip-Set AM4 has, (not all of them do have one) is an extra, its an add-on not even made by AMD.

Ryzen has 32 PCIe 3 lanes on the CPU its self, Threadripper has 64, EPYC 128....

 

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What kind of things are you hoping to use PCIe lanes for that don't have to communicate with the CPU? Ryzen currently has a 4x 3.0 link between the CPU and the chipset, so everything connected via the chipset is bottlenecked by this link. That's why you're meant to put a GPU into a specific slot, for example, because it's one directly linked to the CPU not via this bottleneck. The chipset can have 100 PCIe lanes but they'd still be bottlenecked by the 4x link.

I'm pretty sure Ryzen has 16x for GPU, 4x for NVMe/SATA (most motherboards have one 4x NVMe slot I believe), and 4x for chipset (including USB and other SATA). It also has 4x USB 3.1 ports that are separate to the other 24 PCIe lanes, at least according to this:

Right, this slide also illustrates what i was saying before and what others have been saying about Chip-Set changes being irrelevant to the socket, because with Ryzen everything critical is on the CPU, like i said the Chip-Set is an add-on.

Remember when DDR2 AM2+ you could upgrade to a DDR3 AM3 Socket CPU like the Phenom II? it would simply run in DDR2 mode on the older board.

So hypothetically a DDR5 Ryzen 3 CPU in its self would not spell the end the AM4 boards you are running now because the memory controller is entirely on the CPU, it is independent from the Chip-Set, it will not care as long as the Ryzen 3 CPU also has a DDR4 IMC, in the same way a Phenom II had both DDR2 and DDR3 IMC's.

Same with a hypothetical PCIe 4......

I'm not saying this is what they will do, tho they have in the past.

If we aren't getting DDR5 and PCEIe 4 in the next couple or few years there really is no reason to change the Motherboard at all.

AMD do not make Chip-Set any more, they have moved on to putting everything the CPU needs to function on the CPU, as that diagram shows, the Chip-Set on AM4 is a Motherboard vendors choice, like offering Sata Raid, PCIe 2, USB 2, stuff to fill-out the rear IO a bit more....

If Motherboard vendors want to keep you buying a new one with every new Ryzen launch its upto them to entice you in with with features independent from whats already on the CPU, if ASmeadia want to sell more Chip-Set's then they can offer up better and more IO.

If just want the new CPU but are perfectly happy with your existing board then there is no need to change it.

AMD have engineered themselves into a position where Motherboard vendors have to work to entice you in.

 

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A SoC also needs to have integrated graphics otherwise it is dependent on an external graphics chip so is not a SoC.



The convention is to quote the number of lanes that are actually accessible and exclude those that are tied up due to being reserved for other purposes.
Ryzen has 24 accessible lanes 4 of which are used to connect to a chipset which is usually present leaving it 20 lanes.

4x USB 3
4x Sata/M.2
16x PCIe

So 24 usable but all of this is semantics and not relevant to the point that the CPU is not dependant to its Chip-Set, the point is the ASMeadia Chip-Set is simply an add-on for extra IO and nothing more.

 

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USB 3.0 doesn't use PCIe lanes.
Ryzen is not dependent on a motherboard chipset but on a graphics chip.
Will the APUs be actual SoCs unlike Ryzen?
That would be more useful especially for the mobile chips and OEM systems.
I think Intel's only true premium consumer SoC for mobile is Core M which is more for tablets.

Its not an APU. we are not talking about APU's, we are talking about if AM4 gets a new Chip-Set will it need a new socket? no, it wont. nothing to do with iGPU's.

 

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That doesn't seem practical, heat and power would be an issue with a full Vega die, plus there's probably no market for it, don't think any enthusiast would like to have their upgrade options limited. The way they're making their APUs is by replacing one of the CCX modules in a Ryzen die with a Vega GCN cluster, so their APUs will be 4C/8T + ? shader Vega cluster.

This, probably.