AMD to launch 12nm Ryzen in February 2018

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A SoC also needs to have integrated graphics otherwise it is dependent on an external graphics chip so is not a SoC.



The convention is to quote the number of lanes that are actually accessible and exclude those that are tied up due to being reserved for other purposes.
Ryzen has 24 accessible lanes 4 of which are used to connect to a chipset which is usually present leaving it 20 lanes.

4x USB 3
4x Sata/M.2
16x PCIe

So 24 usable but all of this is semantics and not relevant to the point that the CPU is not dependant to its Chip-Set, the point is the ASMeadia Chip-Set is simply an add-on for extra IO and nothing more.

 

[smilingcrow]

Ryzen has 32 PCIe 3 lanes on the CPU its self ....

4x USB 3
4x Sata/M.2
16x PCIe

So 24 usable but all of this is semantics and not relevant to the point that the CPU is not dependant to its Chip-Set, the point is the ASMeadia Chip-Set is simply an add-on for extra IO and nothing more.

USB 3.0 doesn't use PCIe lanes.
Ryzen is not dependent on a motherboard chipset but on a graphics chip.
Will the APUs be actual SoCs unlike Ryzen?
That would be more useful especially for the mobile chips and OEM systems.
I think Intel's only true premium consumer SoCs for mobile are the Core M & U series.
I'm sure the U series have taken off so much because the OEMs can make laptops without requiring any other major chips on the motherboard keeping costs down.

 

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USB 3.0 doesn't use PCIe lanes.
Ryzen is not dependent on a motherboard chipset but on a graphics chip.
Will the APUs be actual SoCs unlike Ryzen?
That would be more useful especially for the mobile chips and OEM systems.
I think Intel's only true premium consumer SoC for mobile is Core M which is more for tablets.

Its not an APU. we are not talking about APU's, we are talking about if AM4 gets a new Chip-Set will it need a new socket? no, it wont. nothing to do with iGPU's.

 

[smilingcrow]

Its not an APU. we are not talking about APU's, we are talking about if AM4 gets a new Chip-Set will it need a new socket? no, it wont. nothing to do with iGPU's.

Sure, just don't call it a SoC as it isn't and USB has nothing to do with PCIe lanes in this context.

 

[smilingcrow]

AMD do not make Chip-Set any more, they have moved on to putting everything the CPU needs to function on the CPU, as that diagram shows, the Chip-Set on AM4 is a Motherboard vendors choice, like offering Sata Raid, PCIe 2, USB 2, stuff to fill-out the rear IO a bit more....

If Motherboard vendors want to keep you buying a new one with every new Ryzen launch its upto them to entice you in with with features independent from whats already on the CPU, if ASmeadia want to sell more Chip-Set's then they can offer up better and more IO.
If just want the new CPU but are perfectly happy with your existing board then there is no need to change it.
AMD have engineered themselves into a position where Motherboard vendors have to work to entice you in.

Motherboard vendors have had to do that for years; why else do they release so many boards?
The only difference here is AMD are saying you will get 3 generations of CPUs on the first generation AM4 boards whereas Intel give you only two typically.

You require a chipset now with Ryzen if you want USB 3.1 Gen 2 and will require a new board/chipset if you require USB 3.2 which has I think been ratified.
A desktop CPU that doesn’t require a chipset if you can live with the basic I/O it offers is great for OEMs but the fact that it requires a dGPU kinda kills the advantage.
Once they have a true desktop SoC I think that will appeal a lot to OEMs.
For people building their own system I doubt many will take the route of choosing a board without a chipset as it limits the I/O a lot and you lose over-clocking.
So more for OEMs but you need a dGPU ……
Those APUs are overdue.

 

[Minstadave]

Hype train boarding!

 

[FloatingPoint]

Are these going to have the integrated Vega? Surely and 8/16 Zen and Vega GPU can fit in a TR4 sized die?

 

[AndreiD]

Are these going to have the integrated Vega? Surely and 8/16 Zen and Vega GPU can fit in a TR4 sized die?

That doesn't seem practical, heat and power would be an issue with a full Vega die, plus there's probably no market for it, don't think any enthusiast would like to have their upgrade options limited. The way they're making their APUs is by replacing one of the CCX modules in a Ryzen die with a Vega GCN cluster, so their APUs will be 4C/8T + ? shader Vega cluster.

 

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That doesn't seem practical, heat and power would be an issue with a full Vega die, plus there's probably no market for it, don't think any enthusiast would like to have their upgrade options limited. The way they're making their APUs is by replacing one of the CCX modules in a Ryzen die with a Vega GCN cluster, so their APUs will be 4C/8T + ? shader Vega cluster.

This, probably.