AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Murphy]

Well, if it isn't PBO then someone at ASRock is terrible at naming options

It also most certainly boosts my CPU performance when enabled and gives much higher all core boosts.

I think, from what I've been reading in the last 10-15min, that the CBS menu is not 'officially' supported by AMD, at least not for consumers. I've tried to find what CBS stands for but can't, a stab in the dark would be something like custom board configuration and ASRock have left it enabled as 'officially' that shouldn't be there.

Have you played around with the TDC setting as that relates to temperatures, do all the fields let you enter any number you like....So many questions, I'd love to have a fiddle with that.

 

[SiDeards73]

Asus can do one if they think im paying £350 to replace my CH6 with a CH8 lol... i'll buy the Asrock Taichi X570 and a 3900x i think, i already have 3600mhz C16 Trident Z RGB ram, so im sorted there.

 

[Journey]

Asus can do one if they think im paying £350 to replace my CH6 with a CH8 lol... i'll buy the Asrock Taichi X570 and a 3900x i think, i already have 3600mhz C16 Trident Z RGB ram, so im sorted there.

Taichi should be $269, but I am waiting for some confirmation as I was previously told that it would be ~£229. The nice thing about the ASRock boards is that the DIMM slots are in T-Topology layout so if you do add more RAM at a later date you won't be as limited in clock speed.

 

[Zeed]

Asus can do one if they think im paying £350 to replace my CH6 with a CH8 lol... i'll buy the Asrock Taichi X570 and a 3900x i think, i already have 3600mhz C16 Trident Z RGB ram, so im sorted there.

im sticking with CH7 if it can do 3600cl14 on my 2700x with 3733cl17 kit I think I'm good

 

[alec]

x570 better be magical for overclocking
if not, thats a really bad value just for PCIE4.0

 

[DragonQ]

Didnt AMD say 3600Mhz was "optimal" now.

Yes but it's more expensive and might not have much impact. Even their own slides show minimal difference in latency between 3200 and 3600 MHz, which is more important than overall memory bandwidth for gaming.

Or just go with some Micron E-die 3000MHz 15-16-16 for <£70 and overclock, and fiddle with the timings.

How though? It's not easy to find out (a) what RAM sticks feature Micron E-die, and (b) how well they are likely to overclock.

@DragonQ ii sugest google patriot viper 3733cl17

Hmm currently £110 with a long delivery time though.

 

[Journey]

How though? It's not easy to find out (a) what RAM sticks feature Micron E-die, and (b) how well they are likely to overclock.

Crucial Ballistix Sport 3000MHz C15 - part number BLS2K8G4D30AESCK, BLS2K8G4D30AESBK or BLS2K8G4D30AESEK.

If you can't get 3400MHz at 16-18-18 which was your preferred choice, I'll go and buy a hat and eat it. Just for reference, I got a set running on a Ryzen 2200G at 16-17-17-36 1T with 1.4v at 3733MHz.

 

[HRL]

I think, from what I've been reading in the last 10-15min, that the CBS menu is not 'officially' supported by AMD, at least not for consumers. I've tried to find what CBS stands for but can't, a stab in the dark would be something like custom board configuration and ASRock have left it enabled as 'officially' that shouldn't be there.

Have you played around with the TDC setting as that relates to temperatures, do all the fields let you enter any number you like....So many questions, I'd love to have a fiddle with that.

I've got the same menu naming on my Gigabyte X470, that's where the PBO settings are.

 

[Kashinoda]

They couldn't find one that wasn't artifacting.

AMD are just hiding their shortcomings in GTA, I think they're way off the 9900k in this title.

It's pretty disingenuous of them though and I'm a bit disappointed.

 

[alec]

Yes but it's more expensive and might not have much impact. Even their own slides show minimal difference in latency between 3200 and 3600 MHz, which is more important than overall memory bandwidth for gaming

Slides ONLY show latency.

Meanwhile IF speed affects everything going on between chiplets and IO die and CCX to CCX within a chiplet (why Zen/Zen+ performance scaled so massively with memory frequency)
I bet AMD are basing their suggestion on actual benchmarks.

 

[HRL]

AMD are just hiding their shortcomings in GTA, I think they're way off the 9900k in this title.

It's pretty disingenuous of them though and I'm a bit disappointed.

Really? I thought they played it quite fairly considering they still showed games that they didn't come top in, as well as those that they did do better at.

They even stated that they hadn't installed the Windows scheduler update or handicapped the Intel CPU with the latest security "fix".

 

[alec]

AMD are just hiding their shortcomings in GTA, I think they're way off the 9900k in this title.

It's pretty disingenuous of them though and I'm a bit disappointed.

9900K 176fps
3600X 163fps
3800X 163fps
3900X 176fps

magical GamingCache (TM) at work in 3900X. I don't see much shortcoming and bet results improve more with windows scheduler fix

 

[Kashinoda]

9900K 176fps
3600X 163fps
3800X 163fps
3900X 176fps

magical GamingCache (TM) at work in 3900X. I don't see much shortcoming and bet results improve more with windows scheduler fix

The 9900K, 9700K and 3900X are all bottlenecked by using a 2080, this is why the 3900X has parity with the 9900k at 176 FPS.
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_2080_ti_founders_review,30.html

If they were using a 2080Ti we would have seen the 9700k and 9900k steam ahead, I suspect.

 

[Journey]

If they were using a 2080Ti we would have seen the 9700k and 9900k steam ahead, I suspect.

Did you even look at the 1080p graph you posted? Steam ahead? The top result is 184FPS, a whole 8 FPS faster than the 176FPS listed above for the 3900X.

Sheesh, some people.

 

[Curlyriff]

[QUOTE

Im leaning on the 12 core for sure. But wondering if I should just get the 8 core. I dont stream. hmm. might depend on X570 mobo costs,

P.S. when are we getting prices on the X570 boards?

I would probably go 12 core and that is what I am thinking next year even. Most games are still going to not use more than 8 core but that leaves 4 core for external apps and OS to run off in my view would make sense then.

 

[willhub]

258 quid for a 3700X I think that I might get, will it perform good on an old B350 or 450 motherboard with 3200MHz DDR4?

I know my motherboard officially supports it with bios update that I have, but wondering if performance will be hindered as in the mobo severely handicap the 3700X? Or even the 3900?

 

[beany_bot]

AMD are just hiding their shortcomings in GTA, I think they're way off the 9900k in this title.

It's pretty disingenuous of them though and I'm a bit disappointed.

Who cares though? GTA V is going to be a 6 year old title soon.

 

[humbug]

The 9900K, 9700K and 3900X are all bottlenecked by using a 2080, this is why the 3900X has parity with the 9900k at 176 FPS.
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_2080_ti_founders_review,30.html

If they were using a 2080Ti we would have seen the 9700k and 9900k steam ahead, I suspect.

"steam ahead???" the 2080TI there with the 9900K was 184 FPS, that's 4.5% and how do you know the 3900X was not bottlenecked by the 2080?

 

[HeX]

258 quid for a 3700X I think that I might get, will it perform good on an old B350 or 450 motherboard with 3200MHz DDR4?

3700X is $329 = £259 * 1.2 = ~£310 probably £319.99

 

[Kashinoda]

Did you even look at the 1080p graph you posted? Steam ahead? The top result is 184FPS, a whole 8 FPS faster than the 176FPS listed above for the 3900X.

Sheesh, some people.

184 FPS on a Core i7 5960X @ 4.2 GHz, yes. That may be the bottleneck of the 2080Ti but I doubt it based on typical gains over the 2080.