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Angela Merkel to Quit as Head of Her Party After 19 Years

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Evangelion, Oct 29, 2018.

  1. Evangelion

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    The woman they call the Iron Lady of Germany, and Leader of the Free World is finally stepping down. She has outlasted numerous presidents and prime ministers throughout the West.

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  2. mid_gen

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    Should point out here that she is only standing down as chairwoman, she intends to remain chancellor.
     
  3. doodah

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    Is it normal to have a different head of the party than the chancellor?
     
  4. Evangelion

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    It's a smart move. Stepping down as head of the party clears the decks for the next election, and gives the CDU a chance to reinvigorate itself.
     
  5. TheMightyTen

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    She's now also announced she will step down as Chancellor in 2021 after the end of her term.
     
  6. Admiral Huddy

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    Seems like she'll see out her term.
     
  7. Concrete

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    This actually worries me more than most of the bad news we've had lately. Hands down best politician of her era and a key linchpin of democracy and the EU.
     
  8. Hotwired

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    19 years (more by the time she goes) and leaving of your own free will is a decent innings for any senior politician.
     
  9. TheMightyTen

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    Apparently some German commentators are saying they don't believe she'll make it as far as 2021 due to the pressure on the current centre ground coalition following the recent bad regional election results. It would certainly create a very different European political landscape if she was not in it.
     
  10. doodah

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    The very notion of a Germany without Merkel seems strange. Schröder (had to Google as it's been so long since I said/remembered his name) seems the most of distant memories. It's sad that AfD also made gains :(.

    Edit - watching The Man in The High Castle makes me want to learn more about German politics over the last few decades :p.
     
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  11. TheMightyTen

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    Growing up in Germany in the 70s & 80s I vividly remember Willy Brandt, Helmut Schmidt and Helmut Kohl but I definitely struggled to remember Schröder, the shadow of Merkel has entirely eclipsed him in the 21st Century.

    It seems Merkel is a politician in that unusual and difficult position of being more respected and liked by people outside of her country than she currently is by the electorate within it.
     
  12. Nasher

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    She is? Says who? :p
     
  13. Jokester

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    Yup, and with most of the good politicians it's quite often undone by one critical misjudgement so it will be interesting to see what history thinks of her in years time given the way western Europe is now going as regards the rise of the far right.
     
  14. Panos

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    Yes. Is not the same system as in UK.
    You do understand that at the Balkans she is despised by half the countries and loved by those who gained from her policies?
    She has already put the seeds for the third Balkan war there.
     
  15. Uther

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    Sown the seeds is right, I doubt history will remember her kindly.
     
  16. TheMightyTen

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    You do understand that the Balkans are not every country outside of Germany :rolleyes:

    and tbh nobody needs to sow the seeds for another war in the Balkan's the place has always been a hodgepodge of hatred, tensions and petty disputes for time immemorial.
     
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  17. mid_gen

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    My view from here is that she is mostly well respected still, and has been doing a good job given the circumstances. It's the general CSU/CDU's inability to deal with the AFD, and the SPD's giving up their socialist ideal to get in bed with the conservatives that people are really hacked off about.

    I think the Greens and FDP will continue to make gains. People are much more politically switched on here, much less likely to fall into the pathetic US-led simplification of popular politics into just left vs right.

    The recent state elections were quite interesting. The CDU (Conservatives), and SPD (think Labour) got hammered. Greens became the second party. The AFD sit around the general Europe-wide anti-immigrant vote share of 10-15%.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_state_election,_2018

    The UK desperately needs a third party, but FPTP is such an effective blocker to change it's unlikely to ever happen.
     
  18. D.P.

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    Yes, it is wrong to think this is some rise of the right. The CDU was right-wing, so their decline is not really much support for a swing to rightward politics.
    The SPD moved rightwards and that has lost them a lot of votes as well.

    What has happened is a broad swathe of the population are disappointed with current politics and personal situation. Support for the center left and right parties has declines, this has a large effect on other parties since it is a proportional democracy. The AFD have less vote share than UKIP at their peak, it just translates to more seats.


    If you look at the actual left-right split it is actually a slightly more leftward movement overall. Germany has more left parties that split the left vote. The greens did very well, but the other smaller left parties also gained and in total account for much more than the AfD.
     
  19. TheMightyTen

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    That is something I have always found with the German people, even as a kid playing "off estate" with the local kids, whose English was always impeccable (particularly compared to our pigeon German :p) they would question us on various political issues, World affairs and our take on them, of course we didn't have a clue and were far more bothered by what the next Saturday matinee was going to be at the SSVC cinema in RAF Gutersloh or what was the best flavour of crisps at the NAAFI :o

    It certainly does, with a bit of luck the apparently more than rumours of the foundation of a new centre ground party following the exit on 29th March create a credible, viable and workable option. It certainly seems to have enough money and motivators behind it, but you are correct FPTP is a system suited to keep the current system stagnated and in the power of the existing protagonists.
     
  20. Terminal_Boy

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    Wouldn’t PR lead to endless coalitions that never achieve anything?