Any rumors as to when 3rd party vega 7 cards are coming?

gearsplayer · 4 Mar 2019 at 19:07

I'm not a fan of the stock cooler and would like to buy a custom 3rd party air cooled card. Any idea when these are coming?

EastCoastHandle · 4 Mar 2019 at 19:10

I can only hope Gibbo has any news he can share about this...

bru · 4 Mar 2019 at 19:11

If it was my money I would bet that there wont be any.
Reference only would be my guess.

gearsplayer · 4 Mar 2019 at 19:14

That sucks....I need a GPU soonish :/ I guess I'll just buy nvidia ;(

eeii · 5 Mar 2019 at 11:51

Had a quick search and found nothing.

Tom B · 5 Mar 2019 at 18:00

zqa20 said:
That sucks....I need a GPU soonish :/ I guess I'll just buy nvidia ;(

Possibly never but you'll be able to get a water block, so there's that option.

gearsplayer · 5 Mar 2019 at 20:36

Makes me sad

. I really want to support AMD by buying their v7 because with an OC it comes very close to a 2080 and sometimes a lil faster with 2x the vram...but that cooler just holds back substantial overclocking unless you run fans at 3000+rpm. oh well.

Zernath · 5 Mar 2019 at 20:57

zqa20 said:
Makes me sad . I really want to support AMD by buying their v7 because with an OC it comes very close to a 2080 and sometimes a lil faster with 2x the vram...but that cooler just holds back substantial overclocking unless you run fans at 3000+rpm. oh well.

To be honest, I've seen worse coolers. Nvidia really doesn't need any more money at this point, they're already pricing their cards in the 'I can buy a car for less than this' region!

CuriousTomCat · 5 Mar 2019 at 21:31

The Radeon VII apparently isn't making any profit because they cost too much to make. No 3rd party would want any part of that.

drakulton · 5 Mar 2019 at 21:59

You could always buy a stock card and plonk a sexy after market cooler on it.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search/index/sSearch/morpheus

bru · 5 Mar 2019 at 22:03

drakulton said:
You could always buy a stock card and plonk a sexy after market cooler on it.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/search/index/sSearch/morpheus

Looks at link and feels short changed, you said a sexy after market cooler.

drakulton · 5 Mar 2019 at 22:16

Fortunately I have relationships with many aftermarket coolers, I'm not too picky.

Sadly xhamster doesn't have a Noctua scat colour category yet. :eek:

Zernath · 5 Mar 2019 at 22:43

CuriousTomCat said:
The Radeon VII apparently isn't making any profit because they cost too much to make. No 3rd party would want any part of that.

I still don't understand how or even why someone would run a business that way. It seems like madness to sell a product you aren't making any money on, particularly something as expensive as a GPU. :confused:

CuriousTomCat · 5 Mar 2019 at 23:00

Zernath said:
I still don't understand how or even why someone would run a business that way. It seems like madness to sell a product you aren't making any money on, particularly something as expensive as a GPU.

Yeah but it's brand awareness. Getting the AMD name out there so people talk about it. Some companies spend millions on advertising which is also a loss. The hope is that they make the money back again many times over by selling more products.

The Radeon VII may even make a profit. It's hard to know which rumors are fact.

Zernath · 5 Mar 2019 at 23:06

CuriousTomCat said:
Yeah but it's brand awareness. Getting the AMD name out there so people talk about it. Some companies spend millions on advertising which is also a loss. The hope is that they make the money back again many times over by selling more products.

The Radeon VII may even make a profit. It's hard to know which rumors are fact.

I suppose they don't really have a choice, given how many cards Nvidia are releasing these days, particularly at the higher end. Still, if you're not making money, that's a big problem.

Brazo · 6 Mar 2019 at 08:02

Zernath said:
I still don't understand how or even why someone would run a business that way. It seems like madness to sell a product you aren't making any money on, particularly something as expensive as a GPU.

It’s not so much making a profit as making less of a loss. It is thought the chips used are salvaged from professional application chips that didn’t make the grade. So rather than make a huge loss you can fudge them into a gaming card and make less of a loss.

D.P. · 6 Mar 2019 at 08:13

CuriousTomCat said:
Yeah but it's brand awareness. Getting the AMD name out there so people talk about it. Some companies spend millions on advertising which is also a loss. The hope is that they make the money back again many times over by selling more products.

The Radeon VII may even make a profit. It's hard to know which rumors are fact.

There is likely only a small loss if any, more likely a tiny profit that gets lost in some overheads. Whether it makes a small loss or profit is likely irrelevant. There maybe as few as 10-20K R7s being sold, higher estimates are still only about 50,000. If they made a $50 loss on each one that is $2.5M loss, which is liekly a ball-park figure for how much money AMD spent at CES on marketing.

Gibbo · 6 Mar 2019 at 08:52

It is unlikely that there will be any 3rd party cards I am afraid.

LePhuronn · 6 Mar 2019 at 12:03

D.P. said:
There is likely only a small loss if any, more likely a tiny profit that gets lost in some overheads. Whether it makes a small loss or profit is likely irrelevant. There maybe as few as 10-20K R7s being sold, higher estimates are still only about 50,000. If they made a $50 loss on each one that is $2.5M loss, which is liekly a ball-park figure for how much money AMD spent at CES on marketing.

And to push D.P.'s point a little further, if AMD simply discarded the packages rather than repurposing them, that could be hundreds of dollars loss on each one: make $2.5M loss by creating and selling Radeon VII, or $20M loss by just throwing things in the trash?

Dicehunter · 6 Mar 2019 at 14:57

Just get an R7 and either put it under water or live with the reference cooler, My temps are brill ingame, Undervolted to 980mv at stock clocks I'm sitting at around 70'c ingame with a fairly decent fan profile.