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Any thoughts on how I can loosen these tap tails?

Discussion in 'Home and Garden' started by Adam, Apr 4, 2020.

  1. Adam

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    I have a new tap to replace the existing one in the downstairs bathroom but I’m having issues getting access to the bolts on the tails. Looks like another bodge before I moved in to the house :D

    https://imgur.com/a/SYEPRYh

    The valve has been cemented in to the tiles. The ends of the tails are very close together and the bottom one is obstructed by the waste pipe. This means you can’t get any spanners/grips on them.

    The bathroom will be ripped out at some stage but I’m not ready for that yet. I thought about asking my wife if she would be happy for me to remove the tile so I could get behind it. This is plan B at this stage.

    I cannot disconnect the waste pipe as that has been connected with solvent weld and I doubt I’d have enough free pipe this side of the tiles to reconnect it with fresh pipe (I do have the materials to do this).

    I have no doubt that someone on this forum will come up with an ingenious suggestion I would never have thought of :D
     
  2. Orionaut

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    So called "Professionals" are *****. Stuff is invariably installed with no thought for the future. This is why I always do all my own stuff, (even the stuff that I am not supposed to do any more)
     
  3. Burned_Alive

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    Have you tried tightening a zip tie round each nut so you can get more purchase to undo it with your finger.
     
  4. Thebug

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    Tried undoing by hand? They shouldn’t be that tight as they have rubbers in them and not olives
     
  5. Simon

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    Do some research but I’m sure you could find a combo of push /solvent pipes to allow you to cut and then replace that waste pipe to allow access.
    Of course that assumes other methods above don’t work
     
  6. norm

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    Probably easier to reuse the existing flexi tails by means of an adapter?
     
  7. BigBoy

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    Blue handled pipe grips will open them up, you will need two sets, one to hold the isolator and the other to undo the nut.

    Once the top one is off you will have access for the lower one.

    Never reuse flexy hoses it's asking for trouble!
     
  8. FlyingFish

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    Might be stating the obvious, but turn the iso valves off with a flat blade, then a 24mm open ended spanner. Top one first then that gives access to the bottom one.
     
  9. Adam

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    Thanks for the suggestion. I like the zip tie idea, I have some pretty beefy ones which I will try tomorrow.

    Any of the suggestions around using a spanner/wrench etc won't work as the waste pipe position prevents you from making any kind of effort to move the tail nut. Perhaps the picture doesn't show it correctly but there is next to no room between both of the water feeds and the waste pipe.

    When I tried before I could get the top one off but the bottom one was impossible, I could not get anything near it. I even tried a strap wrench but there wasn't enough room to turn it. What a bodge. Zip tie it is tomorrow.
     
  10. Mcnumpty2323

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    Try locking mole grips onto the nut
    Not at 90 degrees to the nut
    But from the direction the flexi hose goes
    If that makes sense
    If mole grips lock on turn them with another pair of grips/pliers/spanner etc
    To get the leverage
     
  11. Quartz

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    Can you get a large enough 45 degree piece for the waste pipe to replace what you'd have to cut off? Can you get 'extender' pieces?
     
  12. Participant

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    Try this first surely?
     
  13. jpaul

    Capodecina

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    as he said .. (slim) plumbers wrench to hold isolator valve and adjustable spanner on the nut... I might toothrbrush some vinegar around the threads first
     
  14. Adam

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    Well I did it although it required brute force in the end. The zip ties kept slipping and none of the wrenches/grips could fit in the narrow gap. In the end I took some tin snips to the tails and hammered a 23mm socket over the end. Hopefully I didn't damage any of the pipes which I can't see.

    https://imgur.com/a/et8iqNL

    Anyway, all was going well until I realised the new tails supplied with the tap had a smaller nut. So will have to wait for new tails to arrive!
     
  15. ron3003

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    You could've got those off easily one at a time with a crows foot socket.