Anyone in Newcastle this Saturday?
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No it isn't.
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How long till the Muslims start chanting that our brave lads in the forces are baby killers?
If they do, hope someone kurb stomps the chanters. Sick of red tape.
Blind folding the above and calling people racist due to their anger towards it is just out right stupidity
ags
If they do, hope someone kurb stomps the chanters. Sick of red tape.
Blind folding the above and calling people racist due to their anger towards it is just out right stupidity
ags
so your going? it goes right past my house , ill take a photo if i see you
Yup, that might be considered a bit weird but there's pictures of me on these forums already
they all just wandered past with a police escort shouting stuff about iran and the 3 at the front all had iranian flags.
its not about racism at all, i was tempted to go out and join the march waving an american flag i bought in orlando last year.
its not about racism at all, i was tempted to go out and join the march waving an american flag i bought in orlando last year.
What the hell are you talking about sir?
Anywho, some news coverage here:
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http://www.itv.com/tynetees/fullprogramme/&h=1456d
2:44 onwards, it was a great day. I love how the NF turned up (all four of them)
Shouting stuff about Iran, with Iranian flags? What, why?
Sound like scumbag troublemakers to me, OP should be ashamed of himself.
Its not a march against racism at all, its a march FOR immigration, I bet (in fact, I know) a huge amount of people would be against it.
All I can hear is them stating how there should be freedom for refugees, we had a similar nonsense protest up here today but luckily I wasn't bothered by it. That's very different to racism. This isn't a march against racism, but a march for immigration. What a load of nonsense this all is, we can't afford be it the space or the money to give Iranians/Iraqis and the rest a nice wee house because they don't like their own country. It isn't racism, it's simple economics.
My god, what is wrong with you people? Do you even understand the conditions some of these people have to live in, while they're in the country, in detention or awaiting deportation? You would ship people to countries like slaves where they will most likely be killed or die of other causes soon enough. Stop acting like you have some god given right to this land, it's ours, collectively, but it's ours to share.
Yes, it is racism. Racism, in the simplest possible terms, is discrimination against an individual or group because of their race - be it what they believe, where they come from or what they look like. Deporting someone just because they're not 'from here' or immediately labeling them as a criminal is discrimination. We've but one Earth on which to live.
Don't be so naive, you're immigrants too!
Yes, it is racism. Racism, in the simplest possible terms, is discrimination against an individual or group because of their race - be it what they believe, where they come from or what they look like. Deporting someone just because they're not 'from here' or immediately labeling them as a criminal is discrimination. We've but one Earth on which to live.
Don't be so naive, you're immigrants too!
I do understand the conditions that some people have to live in whilst they are here. I also know that an area not 2 miles from me has the lowest life expectancy rate (53) in the Continent. We can't afford to put up refugees in nice subsidised accomodation because they might get in trouble if they stay in their own country whilst we have people living in squalor and abject poverty in our own cities. If people have a legitimate reason to stay in the country then yes I don't mind that providing it is proved and reasoned. Do they have to bring over 10 of their family members? No.
If we had lots of extra money, would I like us to spend it on those less fortunate (after ensuring those less fortunate in our own country were sorted) than us? Of course, but the simple fact of the matter is that we do not have this money. Somewhere has to suffer and we should not be paying out millions every year to treat foreigners who have no reason to be here whilst there are large numbers of our own population severely struggling with life.
I used to be young and idealistic like you. Though I quickly learnt (for various reasons) that these beautiful ideals just aren't possible. It's fine to harp on about this whilst you've got a nice chusty middleclass life style but trying living in the situation which many in this country have to do without getting help from the government and you'll soon realize your ideals are retarded.
And, don't bring out the whole "you're immigrants too" argument. Oh, so thousands of years ago we all originated from one area in Africa. Woopdy doo. Before that, we were monkeys. I still don't like bananas.
If we had lots of extra money, would I like us to spend it on those less fortunate (after ensuring those less fortunate in our own country were sorted) than us? Of course, but the simple fact of the matter is that we do not have this money. Somewhere has to suffer and we should not be paying out millions every year to treat foreigners who have no reason to be here whilst there are large numbers of our own population severely struggling with life.
I used to be young and idealistic like you. Though I quickly learnt (for various reasons) that these beautiful ideals just aren't possible. It's fine to harp on about this whilst you've got a nice chusty middleclass life style but trying living in the situation which many in this country have to do without getting help from the government and you'll soon realize your ideals are retarded.
And, don't bring out the whole "you're immigrants too" argument. Oh, so thousands of years ago we all originated from one area in Africa. Woopdy doo. Before that, we were monkeys. I still don't like bananas.
I AM NOT MIDDLE CLASS! I'm Working Class, and since we're living in the class system - i'm proud of it. So you think it all boils down to money? If it means we can change some numbers that have no real relation to anybody in this country's lifestyle then we should let our fellow human beings rot and die and we can rest easy about it. Again, don't be so naive. While this sort of racism is caused by Capitalism it does not make it fine just to ignore it's existence. Yes, we should be going after the root cause more than the symptoms but that's irrelevant really. People need help. You have no right to refuse it.
I love how you act as if you've done everything and seen it all, when really all you're doing is justifying horrendous crimes with statements like "We can't afford it" or "We were here first". They have no real meaning - all that matters is that we enjoy life and help others to do the same.
You can't simply ignore that argument, because it's true. We have no more right to 'own' or to 'rule over' this land than they do. Yet when others simply want to seek asylum or to live on it you dare have the audacity to assume that you have the right to drag them from their homes and throw them on some plane? Don't you talk to me about morals.
The harsh reality of the real world that you need to realize is that change is inevitable. At some point you'll thank those who put themselves at the forefront of it. Until then, don't get in our way.
As you may have noticed, i'm past the point of a debate in which i actually take your points seriously. I passed that point at about 11PM. If you want a serious reply then say something that has some basis in reality for once, not your make-believe Capitalist dream.
It just doesn't work mate.
Thank you, just as well that what makes me happy is making other people happy.
I never said "we were here first". Please don't misquote me, I didn't do it to you.
I laugh at your insistence that you're working class, it seems as you're desperate to hang onto this in order to justify your 'struggle'. I knew people who had similar views to you. It didn't matter that their household had an income of 60k+ a year, 2 cars in the front drive and could afford a holiday once a year as well as living comfortably enough; they were working class! Get a grip.
I haven't a clue what you're on about there. What is "it"? The meaning of life, is that what you are referring to? Second part, again what is "it"? Money has a massive relation to everybody in this country... It is what makes the World go around. If you don't like it then that is fine but you can't just close your eyes, put your fingers in your ears and scream "LALALALA" and expect it not to be true. Again, get a grip.
Well, we do have more of a right to rule over this land than anyone else. British people make the law for the country, and British people rule over it (there's an obvious EU argument here, I'm sure we don't need to go into that though.) Simply want to seek asylum? What because they've committed a crime and they aren't prepared to take the punishment so they think that they have the RIGHT to a FREE ride over here because of that? Don't like the time, don't do the crime. It's as simple as that.
I'm not dragging them from their homes, it was their choice to come over here. They have to abide by the rules, in the same way that me and you do, and if they don't then they have to appreciate that the avenues open to the enforcement agencies will be used. If this includes deportation, then so be it.
I haven't spoken to you about morality, but I can assure you that I am a hell of a lot more knowledgeable than you are in that field...
Also, why do you think that these people who have no legal right for our handouts should be placed above natives who have worked and paid taxes? Again, I point you towards Carlton. Yes, there are many issues there which causes the extremely low life expectancy but with education and other schemes this can undoubtably be raised but we can't afford it as we're ploughing money towards fleeing criminals.
As it's been said, you're a kid who's got ideals. We all had them, heck I had a Hammer and Sickle flag in my bedroom when I was 13 and thought I could fix the World. I quickly grew up and realized that I couldn't because there wasn't an issue to be fixed. I commend you for having strong views, but I can assure you they are nonsensical.
Bloody 'eck, that was a long post!
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It wasn't meant to be a direct quote, but i apologize anyhow. I am working class, i live in a working class household wherin my parents sell their labor to make a living. While income has little effect on your class it certainly isn't 60k+ a year with two cars etc. etc.
It being the acts of racism that you seem adamant to refuse are actually racism. As a country we had massive debts throughout the majority of the last century. They don't matter at all. Either they're owed to multi-billionaires who will be rich if it's payed back or not or it doesn't make any sort of impact on the population. Don't go saying silly things like "money makes the world go round". You know where that's going to end up. Not only is it not true but it does more to harm your case than to help it.
You really don't understand the situation do you? These people haven't done anything wrong. They couldn't continue to live in their own country and so came here for a second chance. There is no legal requirement to put an immigrant in detention (in fact, there's no real protection against people being deported for no reason what so ever), they're the ones who need a reason for it not to be done. Besides, it's hardly a 'free ride'. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to escape from some of these places in the first place?
I know a woman who had her kids taken off her because she was talking to one of them in her own language. You think this is fair, do you?
Tell me, do you have a problem with people coming from Iraq but not from Australia? Essentially from what you might class as a 'third world' country? Because that's damn stupid logic, why should people be allowed to come from a country in which they can have a successful life but not from where they can't?
I never said they should be placed above or below anyone. I'd have thought it would be clear by now that my stance is one of equality.
I've had those ideas floating around my head for as long as i can remember. Why have money? How can such evil people be allowed to exploit others for their own gain? What's the point in war? Just in these past two years or so i've realized that the answers aren't unobtainable, or that it's 'just so'. They're that the world isn't fair, and that it can be changed. So, morality? Try me.
Not an issue to be fixed? Not the fact that 80 percent of the wealth is 'owned' by 20 percent of the population? Nor that 75 percent of the world lives in poverty? This is all fine by you is it?
Now if you don't much mind, i have a bed to pass out on.
It being the acts of racism that you seem adamant to refuse are actually racism. As a country we had massive debts throughout the majority of the last century. They don't matter at all. Either they're owed to multi-billionaires who will be rich if it's payed back or not or it doesn't make any sort of impact on the population. Don't go saying silly things like "money makes the world go round". You know where that's going to end up. Not only is it not true but it does more to harm your case than to help it.
You really don't understand the situation do you? These people haven't done anything wrong. They couldn't continue to live in their own country and so came here for a second chance. There is no legal requirement to put an immigrant in detention (in fact, there's no real protection against people being deported for no reason what so ever), they're the ones who need a reason for it not to be done. Besides, it's hardly a 'free ride'. Do you have any idea how difficult it is to escape from some of these places in the first place?
I know a woman who had her kids taken off her because she was talking to one of them in her own language. You think this is fair, do you?
Tell me, do you have a problem with people coming from Iraq but not from Australia? Essentially from what you might class as a 'third world' country? Because that's damn stupid logic, why should people be allowed to come from a country in which they can have a successful life but not from where they can't?
I never said they should be placed above or below anyone. I'd have thought it would be clear by now that my stance is one of equality.
I've had those ideas floating around my head for as long as i can remember. Why have money? How can such evil people be allowed to exploit others for their own gain? What's the point in war? Just in these past two years or so i've realized that the answers aren't unobtainable, or that it's 'just so'. They're that the world isn't fair, and that it can be changed. So, morality? Try me.
Not an issue to be fixed? Not the fact that 80 percent of the wealth is 'owned' by 20 percent of the population? Nor that 75 percent of the world lives in poverty? This is all fine by you is it?
Now if you don't much mind, i have a bed to pass out on.
lol wut everyone doesnt have the right to live in the UK...
its no different than me walking in to america and expecting to be allowed to stay and work, then i call them racists because i get deported...
i dont see why they cant continue to live in there own country either... and its not like they come here and blend in half the mothers at my local school cant even speak english the teachers have to get in translators FFS its a joke. thats "moorside community primary school" btw its just behind the iceland you marched past on stanhope street.
its no different than me walking in to america and expecting to be allowed to stay and work, then i call them racists because i get deported...
i dont see why they cant continue to live in there own country either... and its not like they come here and blend in half the mothers at my local school cant even speak english the teachers have to get in translators FFS its a joke. thats "moorside community primary school" btw its just behind the iceland you marched past on stanhope street.
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That change has been "inevitable" for the last few decades.
Yes. Because as you will see when you grow past the 16 year old apron you have forged for yourself, nobody cares. Nobody REALLY cares. Because all this march is, and all your protracted whining is, is mental masturbation, youthful activism that needs a focus, somewhere to go, somewhere to exist so you feel useful and rebellious.
However, at the end of the day, none of your left-wing cliches, none of your bygone platitudes, matter one jot in the scheme of this country. You're nothing but a overcooked over-chewed shadow of everyone who's "cared" about the same issues as you think you do many years ago. It won't make a difference to anything. But you'll have fun thinking you've shaken the foundations amongst your peers. That's all this is about.
You are nothing new.
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