Apple Early Adopters (aka Suckers) stuffed . . . again

now Ive read a news article, it's all very silly.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...unds-to-misled-Australian-iPad-customers.html

So basically one of Australia's carriers offer 4G, but it's not the 4G standard and as such not compatible with the IPad. So why is that apples fault? Surly it's Telstra who are falsely advertising as they aren't complying to 4G standards.

You've misunderstood. Telstra offer LTE (4G) in Australia on the same frequencies as we're using in Europe and Asia. The LTE radio in the new iPad only works on the frequencies being used in North America. Telstra aren't falsely advertising and it's disingenuous of Apple to advertise the LTE capabilities of the iPad in Australia knowing it will never work there.
 
When 4G comes out here, will the iPad 3 work in 4G?

Apparently not as 4G here will run on a different frequency, not 100% sure think I was drunk when I heard it so may be way off the mark, but as this is GD maybe I should present this as hard fact... ;)
 
You've misunderstood. Telstra offer LTE (4G) in Australia on the same frequencies as we're using in Europe and Asia. The LTE radio in the new iPad only works on the frequencies being used in North America. Telstra aren't falsely advertising and it's disingenuous of Apple to advertise the LTE capabilities of the iPad in Australia knowing it will never work there.

My bad, but the last bits wrong.
They never advertised 4G would work in Oz and on top of that would only work in US + Canada.
 
My bad, but the last bits wrong.
They never advertised 4G would work in Oz and on top of that would only work in US + Canada.

I didn't say they advertised it would work in Aus, but go look at the http://www.apple.com/au/ site for the new iPad, they mention 4G all over the place, and while yes there is small print at the bottom I agree it is misleading of them to offer a device which touts 4G capability in a region that has 4G service knowing full well that your device will not work on that 4G service.
 
But it does have 4G capabilities and in line with the international standards. So it's a bit of a tough one. I agree with apple, they are offering refunds and are putting clear signs up at point of sale and emailing customers. That sounds fair to me. Where the OZ board want induction, finicacial fine and every box labeled.

And when other 4G services spring up and maybe on the right bandwidth then what?
 
And when other 4G services spring up and maybe on the right bandwidth then what?

They wont, the LTE radio in the new iPad will only ever work in North America (US and Canada). The frequencies other regions will use have already been decided (and they're basically the same).
 
But it does have 4G capabilities and in line with the international standards. So it's a bit of a tough one. I agree with apple, they are offering refunds and are putting clear signs up at point of sale and emailing customers. That sounds fair to me. Where the OZ board want induction, finicacial fine and every box labeled.

How exactly is it a tough one, they say on all their marketing stuff that it can do 4G when it can only do it in the USA and Canada, thats misleading people into buying something by saying it can do something it cannot. North America/Europe/etc have always used different frequency ranges right back to the very first phones with different GSM frequency's (850/900/1800/1900/etc MHz) so its not like its even a new concept that Apple "forgot" to mention.
 
It isn't really apple's fault that people are ignorant and don't research their purchase... Apple didn't lie, the device has 4G capabilities, and they said that 4G isn't available everywhere. I don't see what more they could reasonably be expected to do... And OFCOM or whoever over here seem to agree.

Also, lol at the OP.
 
And when other 4G services spring up and maybe on the right bandwidth then what?

The UK Government haven't sold 4G licenses yet so we haven't confirmed our spectrum. Considering the amount of investment needed I'd expect the iPad to have be at 2 generations along before we need to worry about 4G compatibly. Given then other countries are ahead in 4G deployment and likely to use the same frequencies as we eventually will I fully expect future iPad's to work with out 4G networks.
 
How exactly is it a tough one, they say on all their marketing stuff that it can do 4G when it can only do it in the USA and Canada, thats misleading people into buying something by saying it can do something it cannot. North America/Europe/etc have always used different frequency ranges right back to the very first phones with different GSM frequency's (850/900/1800/1900/etc MHz) so its not like its even a new concept that Apple "forgot" to mention.

It can very much do 4g it has a 4g chip on it and you'll find there's differences on the way it's advertised.

http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-a...ed-new-ipad-has-4g-that-works-in-north-americ
The criticism from around the web is that Apple is telling people, in its advertising, on its web site and on its packaging that the new iPad has 4G capabilities or even mentions 4G, while keeping in the small or fine print section the notification that “4G LTE is supported only on AT&T and Verizon networks in the US; and on Bell, Rogers and Telus networks in Canada. Data plans sold separately. See your carrier for details.”
However, if an Australian owner of a 4G capable new iPad visits the US or Canada, they will be able to connect to 4G networks there by buying a prepaid microSIM card and surfing at 4G speeds immediately.

This means the new iPad does indeed work at 4G speeds on compatible networks – this is not being denied by anyone. Surely if this is the case, Apple cannot be lying about the fact its new iPad is indeed 4G capable?

The thing is, Apple is not advertising the new iPad as being able to connect to Telstra’s 4G LTE network or any 4G network in Australia.

Indeed, multiple news reports from Australian publications, including iTWire – and publications around the world – quickly swung into action to note that the new iPad’s 4G capabilities were limited to certain US and Canadian telcos and wouldn't work on Australian, European or other 1800MHz 4G LTE networks around the world.

What does Apple say on its site?

While the US version of the Apple site lists a 4G LTE logo with the heading of “Ultrafast 4G LTE. Full speed ahead” when you scroll down halfway through the iPad features page, the Australian version of its site instead shows a line drawing of a large antenna tower receiving and transmitting radio waves in place of the 4G LTE logo, followed by the headline of “Ultrafast wireless. Full speed ahead”.

In this same section under a headline entitled “Really really fast is your only option”, Apple says on the Australian site that “The new iPad supports fast cellular networks the world over. [2] So you can browse the web, stream content or download a movie at blazing-fast speeds. It also works on GSM/UMTS worldwide network technologies including HSPA, HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA — the fastest 3G networks out there. You’ll see downlink speeds up to 42 Mbps with DC-HSDPA and up to 21.1 Mbps with HSPA+. [3]”.

It's important to note here that the iPad 2 nor the original iPad worked on the faster 3G HSPA+ or DC-HSDPA networks that were then or subsequently became available - but the new iPad 3 certainly now does. This genuinely gives users of HSPA+ or DC-HSDPA networks the capability of faster access speeds on a new iPad than those using the slower 3G HSPA speeds only on now older iPad 1 or iPad 2 models.

Thus, even without access to a 4G network in Australia, the new iPad finally does deliver faster access to existing HSPA+ and DC-HSDPA networks in Australia and around the world - something the older iPads simply cannot claim, and never did.

That's presumably why the US site differs from the Australian text only in the first sentence, where Apple’s US site says that: “The new iPad supports fast cellular networks the world over — including 4G LTE networks in the U.S. and Canada.”

In the text above, the [2] and [3] are referenced as superscript numbers to lead you to the fine print of both the US and Australian sites linked above that “[2] 4G LTE is supported only on AT&T and Verizon networks in the US; and on Bell, Rogers and Telus networks in Canada. Data plans sold separately. See your carrier for details” and “[3] Based on theoretical peak speeds. Actual speeds will be lower.”

From what I’ve seen, and noting that I am not a lawyer, these are the standard types of disclaimers that any company would use, and they do explain that the iPad only works on selected US and Canadian telcos with compatible 4G networks.

Meanwhile, the maximum “up to” speeds of mobile networks, Wi-Fi routers, ADSL+ speeds and more are never the actual speeds, but the theoretical maximums these standards work at, with actual speeds always lower than these theoretical maximums.

Just take a look at any of Telstra’s advertising for its Next G or 4G wireless modems – or that of any telco or networking equipment manufacturer – the fine print always explains these theoretically maximal limitations.

As I explained in my earlier article on the ACCC’s action against Apple Australia, the ACCC is going after Apple for being misleading about the iPad’s 4G capabilities.

From the ACCC’s site: “The ACCC alleges that Apple's recent promotion of the new "iPad with WiFi + 4G" is misleading because it represents to Australian consumers that the product "iPad with WiFi + 4G" can, with a SIM card, connect to a 4G mobile data network in Australia, when this is not the case.”

However, given my own observations of an-in store printed notification at JB HiFi at the new iPad section that Apple’s new iPad is not compatible with Australia’s 4G networks, as well as an explanation of this lack of Australian 4G compatibility when then proceeding to buy an "iPad WiFi + 4G" from this particular JB HiFi store, as well as companies such as Apple and Telstra explaining to buyers that the new iPad does not work on the Telstra 4G network.
 
It's funny how many people slate Apple just because they either can't afford one of their products, have never used one of their products or just have this natural hate for them like people do for the tories, the rich, good looking people etc etc.
I hate them because they are overpriced garbage & other companies are making superior products for cheaper prices (apple just have better advertising).

Also, trying to discuss this with an apply fan-boy is like trying to convert a Christian fundamentalist.
 
I hate them because they are overpriced garbage & other companies are making superior products for cheaper prices (apple just have better advertising).

Also, trying to discuss this with an apply fan-boy is like trying to convert a Christian fundamentalist.

I am not an apple fan boy. I am getting rid of my new iPad as I don't have a use for it. But I haven't used an android tablet anywhere near as good as the iPad is.
 
I hate them because they are overpriced garbage & other companies are making superior products for cheaper prices (apple just have better advertising).

Also, trying to discuss this with an apply fan-boy is like trying to convert a Christian fundamentalist.

You can't make an incorrect and clearly clueless statement like that and then call other people fanboys. Hilarious. :D
 
I hate them because they are overpriced garbage & other companies are making superior products for cheaper prices (apple just have better advertising).

Also, trying to discuss this with an apply fan-boy is like trying to convert a Christian fundamentalist.

Really? I think you'll find apple ATM is the only company offering a device that works for me. Untill w8 is released anyway. So how is it garbage and how are other products superior? When they can't do what I want to use a tablet for.

Also expensive? Your buying a premium product and other premium products are not to dissimilar in price.

Add to that, that pretty much everyone agrees the iPad is still the best tablet you can get and your statement is nothing but opinionined biased.

So who's the fan-boys?
99% of the time it's actually hater-boys causing issues and being vocal.
 
I hate them because they are overpriced garbage & other companies are making superior products for cheaper prices (apple just have better advertising).

Also, trying to discuss this with an apply fan-boy is like trying to convert a Christian fundamentalist.

While they are expensive, they work. I've yet to have issues with my iPhone for instance, yet my Android is slow and clunky.

Yes, a higher priced Android might be quicker, but hey, I don't have the money for that, nor do I wish to take a gamble. And before you ask, the iPhone is provided by work :o

Some people are completely apple etc, but hey, you buy their product, it usually works with no issues. It's fast, quick, looks nice, and is just a pleasure to deal with really.

Funnily enough, I don't actually own an iPad.
 
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