Are City really better individually?

Difficult to say because they don't really play the same position and haven't seen much of Tevez lately. Could make a case for some of those equals being switched but I think it would roughly even itself out.

I do think that (surprisingly) MU probably have the better squad depth in terms of backup players.
 
City alright team with many great individuals, united fantastic team with many average individuals.

Comes down to the mentality ferguson has in them and the fear everyone has playing them bar a few teams that has been built over the past 2 decades

Actually individually city have a few great players and good ones, also some garbage like Barry and fullbacks.
 
Would have loved to see Silva at Utd (before he moved to City obviously) as I think he is a better player than majority of Utd's midfielders, and with Scholes, Giggs , Cleverley and Anderson to share the creative position, he wouldnt be so tired looking come the end of the season.

Nasri isnt even close to Valenia's influence though - even if he was playing as regularly lol

Would love Aguero as well as Rooney (:D) but wouldnt take him instead , fair to say they are about equal.

De Gea isnt yet in Hart's league, but it may not be that long before he is (I would have swapped much earlier in the season, but Im not sure I would now).
 
Maybe a better way of doing it would be to pick a simple team. Putting aside age, stats etc and just based on a team you would pick for a single game. Straight 4-4-2:

Hart
Richards
Vidic
Kompany
Evra
Valencia
Y.Toure
Scholes/Silva
Nani
Rooney
Aguero

It's very even.
 
Hart
Richards
Vidic
Kompany
Evra
Valencia
Y.Toure
Silva
Nani
Rooney/Aguero
Balotteli

Rooney and Ageuro are far too similar to play together imo so one or the other and they're so closely matched I couldn't choose.
 
Problem with playing Nani, Silva and Valencia in a 4-4-2 is you are putting a helluva lot of responsibility on Toure to hold the fort defensively. Valencia will track back but he'll be out wide so basically Toure would be expected to do some sort of holding role which isn't really his natural game.

Would be interesting to see what London XI gets picked to faced this Manchester XI.
 
Problem with playing Nani, Silva and Valencia in a 4-4-2 is you are putting a helluva lot of responsibility on Toure to hold the fort defensively.
It wouldn't be much different to Giggs (Nani), Keane (Toure), Scholes (Silva) and Beckham (Valencia) would it? I'd say those four combined have been the best, as well as the most balanced, midfield the Premiership has seen so far.
 
Nasri = Valencia

:(

Valencia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nasri

Nasri has been total **** this season since his move to City, while Valencia....well if you have seen any Man Utd games since Valencia came back from injury you will know ;)
 
IMO it would be different, Keane was more destructive than Toure, and Scholes doesn't roam as much as Silva (he also breaks up the play sometimes by which I mean tries to tackle and gives away a freekick!). That's the key really, if you've got Keane and Scholes that's a good balance as you say, whereas Toure and Silva not so much IMO.
 
Oooh this will be fun..... Based on what I perceive to be each teams first choice XI at the moment

Hart > De Gea (although it's marginal if the last few months are anything to go by)

Richards > Rafael
Evans > Lescott (anyone who says otherwise hasn't seen Evans since the turn of the year)
Kompany > Ferdinand (again very marginal, on current form Rio is the better of the two and Kompany has been no where near as good as he was last season but I'm baring in mind the stage each are at in their careers)
Evra > Clichy

Valencia > Nasri
Carrick > Barry
Yaya > Scholes (again not based on ability but where they are in their careers)
Silva > Young

Balotelli > Welbeck
Rooney > Aguero

So with that in mind the team would be....

---------------Hart---------------
Richards--Evans--Kompany--Evra
Valencia--Carrick--Toure--Silva
---------------Rooney
-----------------Balotelli

Of course if Vidic was fit then he'd get in ahead of Kompany :)
 
I'm not so sure Vidic should be ahead of Kompany anymore; as a neutral I'd say Kompany has been the best CB in the EPL over the past 2 seasons.

I think one problem with doing direct comparisons is when it comes to strikers and CBs it depends how you pair them up. Balotelli might get picked over Welbeck but neither of them are as good as Rooney and Aguero so matching the latter two up against each other for the purposes of picking a team shoots yourself in the foot a bit as I'd want both of them in the side :)
 
------------Hart---------------
Richards--Vidic--Kompany--Evra
---------Yaya--Scholes--------
----Valencia--Rooney--Silva----
------------Aguero------------
 
People have very short memories if these are overall teams and they don't include Nani.

Over who though? On a player v player argument it's extremely hard to separate Nani and Valencia and that's just comparing him with a team mate, when you then have to compare him with the likes of Silva at City the job is even harder. At the end of the day it comes down to form, this time last year it was Nani who'd had the phenominal season whereas Valencia was the one who'd been injured a lot now roles have been reversed and that actually brings me onto my next point....

Squad strength. For all City's money like Hangtime said player for player doesn't always tell the whole story for example not only is Evans better than Lescott but so is Smalling and based on potential Jones as well. Nani's being completely overlooked but he too is better than Nasri not to mention those who City have in reserve (Adam Johnson)

In terms of the entire squads I'd say we've got better defensive options, City are better in midfield and the two Attacking units are about the same (City have the better strikers but then we play with wingers)
 
To elaborate on my last post this is what I perceive to be the ultimate 25 man squad from the two clubs;

Hart
De Gea
Lindegaard

Kompany
Vidic
Ferdinand
Smalling
Richards
Jones
Evra
Clichy

Valencia
Nani
Silva
Nasri
Yaya
Carrick
Scholes
De Jong
Cleverley
Milner

Rooney
Aguero
Balotelli
Dzeko

That's 12 City players and 13 from United and tbh I could have easily put City's second choice keeper in ahead of Lindegaard had I known how to spell his name :p
 
Goal keepers is an interesting one. De Gea is new and adapting, he's also younger and in the middle of a culture change, that all said, he's been the best keeper in the league for the second half of the season and it probably the best keeper in the league for playing out and also shot stopping. His potential is just ridiculous. But right now I'd choose Hart. Just. (even though De Gea has won more.)

I'd definitely take Ferdinand and Vidic over any of their defenders, as good as Kompany is. Given age is going against Ferdinand, from next season I'd maybe change that, but whilst people are raving about Evans, it's Ferdinand that has shored up our defence so much since his return. He blocks strikers fouling our keeper from set pieces, he orchestrates so many attacks, cuts out trouble and covers for Evra who continually gets beaten down the byline. He has also been phenomenally important in giving Evans the confidence to play a bit.
A fit Vidic I'd take over any other centre half on the planet.

Where City are stronger is Richards is more accomplished than Rafael. Rafael is better playing with the ball, but Richards is a force and when he wants to, he can be mean to play against.

Evra has been pretty poor this season and the fact he doesn't score or assist anywhere near the numbers he should really do count against him, but he's still a better player than all of City's left back options overall, though Kolorov is always a threat coming forward (and with set-pieces)

City have an issue with wide players, Man Utd depend heavily on two (Young and Valencia) and struggle on with another (Nani), City only really offer true width with Adam Johnson. They do play Nasri, but all too often he's anonymous and he really hasn't had a good season, nor has he ever really done anything to warrant a status. I'd take him over Nani, but really, I wouldn't be in a rush to have him either.

They also insist on playing Barry who really is just a very poor version of Michael Carrick. He doesn't read the game as well, doesn't pass as well, nor protects his defence as well. He should be the first player they replace.
Man City are strong in midfield with Yaya Toure, but without him they continually struggle. Their faults started to come when he left to go with Ivory Coast at the start of the year and they collapsed completely in midfield when he came off injured.
Silva has faded so much it's scary, but he can unlock defences, he's a high line ball player and something Man Utd need, but there aren't many around.
Carrick, Scholes, Anderson, Giggs and Park have shown time and again they have what it takes to come in, do a job and win titles. All of them have won a Champions League and numerous Premier Leagues, so I'd have to say, bar Toure and Silva, United have a more solid, cohesive selection of midfielders.

In other positions they are stronger. I think it's probably a toss up between Aguero and Rooney, but Rooney is talismanic, Aguero isn't.
In the other options their stronger. Hernandez is probably the best sniffer and Berbatov is the most technical, but Tevez is a beast when he wants to play, but has attitude problems. People make more of Balotelli than he's ever shown, he hasn't really done anything in 4 years now of mainstream football bar the odd flash of brilliance, he's a loose cannon on and off the pitch. Dzeko started well but faded, but can be solid. Overall their other options are definitely stronger than United's though.

And then there's Ferguson.
 
Lol some of these comparisons are really laughable.

The Man U and Man C systems are so different that it's really difficult to compare like for like.

Even if every single City player is better than their United counterpart, United are still the better team as they don't have the self destruct buttons (players like Balotelli and Tevez) that City do.

Even right through to the manager and supporters City are weaker, mentally and in a number of other ways. I still think that City will find a way to brute force success through cash spending eventually though, but I'm not sure whether that will be anytime soon and if the arabs will get bored before then.
 
To elaborate on my last post this is what I perceive to be the ultimate 25 man squad from the two clubs;

Hart
De Gea
Lindegaard

Kompany
Vidic
Ferdinand
Smalling
Richards
Jones
Evra
Clichy

Valencia
Nani
Silva
Nasri
Yaya
Carrick
Scholes
De Jong
Cleverley
Milner

Rooney
Aguero
Balotelli
Dzeko

That's 12 City players and 13 from United and tbh I could have easily put City's second choice keeper in ahead of Lindegaard had I known how to spell his name :p

I would go along with that - apart from two

I would have Giggs instead of Nasri for his off the field leadership and guidance as much as on the field

I also wouldnt let Balotelli anywhere near any team working together for a title, and would choose Chicharito instead
 
People always talk about how average united are player for player and express amazement that they continually win things considering how much better x team is. Football fans can be a bit dumb though.
 
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