Are City really better individually?

Are these lists bases on reputation or how they have played this season, or just how much you fancy said player?
For instance how can jones make any list only has he had less than a full season but i barely remember him having what youd class as a good game? At rb and in midfield he gets particularly shown up and given that's mainly where he has played im not sure what criteria is used in this selection.

Plusup front regardless of hatred tevez must get a shout and big adebayor ain't bad.

Cleverly has played so few games so its difficult to really rate him. You might as well throw in Paul pogba.

But it does show the relative strength in certain areas...if berba ever played it might be different but it shows up how bad welbeck is not as a player but as an often starting striker - this was really typified by his performance vs qpr. Dong fangzouho didn't get half as many tried as welbeck.
 
A2Z said:
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Valencia >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nasri

Nasri has been total **** this season since his move to City, while Valencia....well if you have seen any Man Utd games since Valencia came back from injury you will know ;)
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I can't believe no-one else has mentioned this. I don't rate Nasri at all at City.

I think we all agree City are the best with the players they have. They just aren't playing together with **** poor management.
 
NokkonWud said:
De Gea has won more
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Can't really make a comparison though in terms of club trophies, two of De Gea's titles (European Super Cup & Community Shield) aren't really proper medals which basically puts Europa League cup against FA Cup. I think both still have time to fill their trophy cabinet given their ages and position.
 
JDMaverick said:
I can't believe no-one else has mentioned this. I don't rate Nasri at all at City.

I think we all agree City are the best with the players they have. They just aren't playing together with **** poor management.
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Yes and no, Nasri was NOT brilliant at Arsenal, just over rated in a dodgy team. He stole all the glory but his all around game was very poor last year. 10 goals, smeg all assists, most of his goals were gifted to him, he only had 3-4 really decent performances. his goal scoring rate simply exaggerated his performances especially as he scored several goals quickly and people get an idea in their heads about a player and don't change them. Same way Hleb would get 3 goals in the first few games and people would decide he was great, even though he still had 3 goals by the end of the season.

The single biggest problem with City, is the manager. Richards gets dropped frequently for no reason, De Jong had a truly fantastic season last year, and has been all but ignored this year. They've many many times had Toure had to sit deeper to help defensively rather than play to the strongest part of his game, which also kills the team as they don't have any other driving forwards players in their team. Weak wingers who prefer to pass the ball than go around players, have no strength and are lazy.

Same squad with better rotating and a better choice of "first" team would have done significantly better this season.

Toure has looked shattered and half the player since xmas, Silva hasn't looked so much shattered as just lazy and useless, I'll again say this is mostly a case of an unknown player in a new league and people not used to the way he plays. Within months people have learned how to completely neutralise him as a threat. Even so, better rotation, a fresher team, with Toure and Silva rested more often would have made a much stronger team for the season.

Let's not forget that their best striker for two years was exactly as Balotelli is now, sacrificed as a scapegoat for Mancini's incompetance. That Bayern game, Silva and Nasri, two lazy selfish players who are awful on the wings, played wide in an important game, away, and the team was ripped to shreds.

City have a stronger squad than Utd, but Mancini has mismanaged it all season long.

Who cares about the BEST 11, its irrelevant, Milner/Barry are better than Park, etc. Their strike force IS better, but they gave it worse service, their defence is better than Utd's, but games are won and lost in midfield. I don't think Utd have better players there squad wise, City just actively choose to start a dead weight almost every game this year in central midfield for no reason.
 
HangTime said:
Can't really make a comparison though in terms of club trophies, two of De Gea's titles (European Super Cup & Community Shield) aren't really proper medals which basically puts Europa League cup against FA Cup. I think both still have time to fill their trophy cabinet given their ages and position.
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Absolutely. But you could add Premier League to De Gea's too (probably.) Not bad given that he's younger. My point is people go overboard about Hart. He's good, but he's not really done anything either.
 
NokkonWud said:
City have an issue with wide players, Man Utd depend heavily on two (Young and Valencia) and struggle on with another (Nani), City only really offer true width with Adam Johnson. They do play Nasri, but all too often he's anonymous and he really hasn't had a good season, nor has he ever really done anything to warrant a status. I'd take him over Nani, but really, I wouldn't be in a rush to have him either.
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Again, your post is very balanced and thorough Nokkon but I'm absolutely baffled by this bit. He's struggled with injury a bit this year but Nani carried the side at times last season and the season before, and saying you would take Adam Johnson over him is crazy!
 
i would have to say in general the city squad is about 8 points worse than the manu squad.

providing everyone is fit slip yaya into the manu squad and that would do me.

wouldnt take anyone else.

** if scholes didnt come back than also take silva.
 
One More Solo said:
Again, your post is very balanced and thorough Nokkon but I'm absolutely baffled by this bit. He's struggled with injury a bit this year but Nani carried the side at times last season and the season before, and saying you would take Adam Johnson over him is crazy!
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Indeed, Nani is on a different planet to Johnson when he has a good game (which is probably more often than not now).

I think both squads as a whole are very strong and I think we've had a worse injury record than City. Not having Vidic is like City not having Kompany and without him they might not even be second.

Well done to Evans for stepping up, he's been exceptionally good. If De Gea's progress continues as well then he'll be one of the best goalkeepers around before long.

If Sir Alex is going to insist on ignoring and shunning Berbatov then we need to buy a new striker, Hernandez is very one-dimensional and Welbeck is just garbage most of the time, I really don't rate him at all.
 
to compare player vs. player is quite difficult as united and city dont play the same way. it's been mentioned above that United have the better squad, which is probably why we're better off at this time of the season.

Rather then player vs player would it not be better to say "if money was no object and the other team were willing to sell their entire squad who would you like to see in your team?". Unlikely, i know, but if that were to happen, as a United Fan i'd say Kompany, Silva and Aguero and possibly Richards.

At a guess i'd also say City fans would say Vidic, Valencia & Rooney.

The Lescott / Evans isn't as clear cut as people make out - Yes Evans is having a great spell, his best to date IMO but i still feel Lescott is a better player, but not by much, if Evans carries on improving as he has done since Vidic's injury he could actually turn out to be a cracking defender and one far better then Lescott!.

Think the Nasri situation is also of interest, it's obvious he's gone to City for a payday, but, when it broke in the off-season he'd be available for £20m i was hoping United signed him. i can't help but think in the United environment he'd have been a better player then he currently is. Just a thought.

Just my 2p worth.
 
atpbx said:
Is it arse.

The have one decent center back, a selection of duff fullbacks, and Joleon Lescott, a player who isnt fit to lace the boots of any of the defenders at United.

Even Johnny Evans is better than Lescott.
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Evra has been responsible for a huge number of Utd's goals this season, Clichy hasn't been responsible for half as many, Evra has been a liability and most Utd fans on here branded him as such till VERY recently, the only difference has been in the results, not Evra getting better defensively, you've lost less goals and conceded less due to playing better, less chances against, less goals. Over the season Evra has been one of the worst left backs in the league defensively.

Right backs, Richards is stronger defensively than any of your right backs and very very good offensively. Evans is in no way, AT ALL, even remotely close to better than Lescott, he's rubbish.

Utd fans have short selective memorys, the same memories that when the team wins City fans took to mean Barry and Milner were a couple of the best players in the league, are now making you randomly believe Evans and Evra haven't been the cause of massive massive mistake after mistake season long.

The team has been under less pressure defensively, working MUCH better offensively, and winning games more than earlier in the season. Evan's hasn't become an entirely different player because of a date on a calendar and Evra's ludicrous number of mistakes in the past 2 years aren't wiped out either.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Evra has been responsible for a huge number of Utd's goals this season, Clichy hasn't been responsible for half as many, Evra has been a liability and most Utd fans on here branded him as such till VERY recently, the only difference has been in the results, not Evra getting better defensively, you've lost less goals and conceded less due to playing better, less chances against, less goals. Over the season Evra has been one of the worst left backs in the league defensively.

Right backs, Richards is stronger defensively than any of your right backs and very very good offensively. Evans is in no way, AT ALL, even remotely close to better than Lescott, he's rubbish.

Utd fans have short selective memorys, the same memories that when the team wins City fans took to mean Barry and Milner were a couple of the best players in the league, are now making you randomly believe Evans and Evra haven't been the cause of massive massive mistake after mistake season long.

The team has been under less pressure defensively, working MUCH better offensively, and winning games more than earlier in the season. Evan's hasn't become an entirely different player because of a date on a calendar and Evra's ludicrous number of mistakes in the past 2 years aren't wiped out either.
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Evans has improved a lot and is surely one of the better defenders around on current form, to say otherwise is simply wrong.
 
There haven't really been any prolific left backs this season that I can think of. Evra is probably up there as one of the best though I suppose. I would probably say that Evra and Clichy are evenly matched. I would be happy with either in my team.
 
Shamikebab said:
Evra hasn't been as good this season but saying he's been the worst left back in the league this year is ridiculous. He's still better than Clichy imo.
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Also note how much running he does every match, anyone got any stats on this?

he is literally the left hand side of the pitch all night long. He is always overlapping the (winger) and getting to the byline and then running back...when we have no left winger he does that job too.

City have a stronger squad than Utd, but Mancini has mismanaged it all season long.
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And considering how Fergie has mismanaged our squad that is quite some feat,

and before i get lambasted for saying that fergie stated it himself, so even if im wrong, well you wont take fergies word himself to be wrong will you?

February:

"I'm disappointed, I'm responsible for picking the team and there were too many young players in the back four, that was a big problem in terms of experience," said Ferguson said

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/24022012/58/europa-league-ferguson-picked-wrong-team.html

March:

""We accept we were well beaten and we have deserved the criticism that has come our way in Europe this season," Ferguson told United Review.

"I took too many chances giving young players a run-out in an attempt to speed up their development and perhaps I asked too much of them."

http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3941...kes-the-blame-for-manchester-united-european-

unfortunately it seems that he repeated mistakes from february into march...
 
Robbo said:
Evans has improved a lot and is surely one of the better defenders around on current form, to say otherwise is simply wrong.
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This. As we very rarely play on a Saturday it's been a while since I've watched the build up to games on Soccer Saturday so I dont know if they're doing likewise but certainly the pundits on BBC dont seem to go a week without mentioning Evans in a positive light, that's almost unheard of for MOTD to be praising one of our players that much :p

The difference between Evans and Lescott to me is that the latter is clearly the weak link in his partnership can the same be said for Evans with his partnership with Ferdinand? At worst I'd say at the moment the two are performing equally, If I were being honest though I'd say Evans is actually performing the best of the entire back 4.

Since the turn of the year I cant think of a single defender in the league that's done better than Evans (baring in mind Kompany has missed a lot of football through suspension and injury)
 
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