Are India and Pakistan about to have another showdown?

I pity those who hold such a grudge against each other between Indian/Pakistanis to be honest, I can understand the older generation behaving this way but the fact it exists in our current generation is a joke.

As an Indian myself, I have many Pakistani friends (some of my best friends are Muslim) and to see situations like this are really disheartening.

Hopefully Imran Khan and Modi sit down and put this to an end before it gets worse.
 
Semple said:
That's kinda my view as well. There must be so much corruption that exists in the Pakistan government to turn a blind eye to terrorist groups setting up camp within your own borders. It's just a recipe for disaster.
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Not just turning a blind eye, there is evidence the intelligence agency are actively supporting them.
 
Yas786 said:
Imran Khan prime minister of Pakistan has said that both sides need to sit down and try to resolve the crisis.

Whether that will happen or not is another thing altogether.

Sad that it’s come to this, I’m still hopeful, as a Pakistani myself that somehow they alleviate the situation. Wasn’t that long ago that both Pakistan and India were on more ‘friendlier’ terms.
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Won’t happen because of Modi. The guy is a grade a tool. He doesn’t want to resolve anything.
 
Vita said:
Won’t happen because of Modi. The guy is a grade a tool. He doesn’t want to resolve anything.
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Yep pretty much :(. But let’s hope he sees sense and agrees to sit down with Imran Khan and resolve this issue.
 
Yas786 said:
Yep pretty much :(. But let’s hope he sees sense and agrees to sit down with Imran Khan and resolve this issue.
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Yas, how long has it been since they’ve been trying to resolve the Kashmir issue. It’ll never get sorted.

It’s a shame because before they were independent they all got on. After the war and independence came hatred came. It’s only going to get worse because these countries have remained in the past, the mentality more so than the economy side of it.
 
Well Pakistan is not a hotbed of forward thinking progressives, I guess this is what happens when you let religion guide and the rest of the world just uses it now and then for some pre-fabricated moral guidance even then once your past this stage it only comes out for the odd wedding and a funeral.

India also has its issues, but at least they do not seem to be meddling in world affairs by harbouring a bunch of terror camps and turning a blind eye to it.

As for Guy Fawkes, lucky we caught him otherwise the Catholic church would have had its claws in the UK and the world would be a very different place, everyone is a sinner and all that, well apart from a member for the Clergy.... oh wait :)
 
Vita said:
Yas, how long has it been since they’ve been trying to resolve the Kashmir issue. It’ll never get sorted.

It’s a shame because before they were independent they all got on. After the war and independence came hatred came. It’s only going to get worse because these countries have remained in the past, the mentality more so than the economy side of it.
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Yeh I agree with you, maybe it’s the optimistic side in me that hopes they can amicably resolve their issues.
But won’t happen when you have the religious nutters on both sides meddling and convincing the population that what they are saying and trying to do is the right thing.

The whole Kashmir thing as you said will never get resolved sadly although I hope, vain hope that it may get resolved in the future.
 
sigma said:
Literally millions of people celebrate Guy Fawkes...
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To be fair, we celebrate burning an effigy of him along with setting off pretty sparkle flash bangs in the sky

I don't think any one celebrates his failure to blow up the houses of parliament although it could be argued his failure was a success for parliament so we celebrate that success :confused:
 
aardvark said:
you don't need to be pakistani to think modi is a tool - some of his decisions in the last few years are mind boggling.
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True, however if he is then we have 2 Pakistani posters who have made a remark. The obvious response is therefore: Why doesn't the tool Imran Khan crack down on the terror training camps inside his borders and direct the ISI to take out terrorists who have been attacking Indian civilians and troops?
 
RaohNS said:
True, however if he is then we have 2 Pakistani posters who have made a remark. The obvious response is therefore: Why doesn't the tool Imran Khan crack down on the terror training camps inside his borders and direct the ISI to take out terrorists who have been attacking Indian civilians and troops?
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i don't know a lot about pakistan so don't know the answer to that.
How much power does he really have? - are the generals still in charge of some aspects?
 
RaohNS said:
What's the betting that Vita is also of Pakistani heritage...
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I am and proud. :)

I’m not into war or using force to get a point across but Modi, has troubled a lot of Muslims in India.

Pak is doing all it can go eliminate terrorism this was one of the top agendas IK made that he would try resolve when he came into office. This being said it isn’t something that can be eradicated overnight and I imagine taking a long time.

Unfortunately with the racial trait of these countries and media manipulation it’s common to point the finger at Asian/Muslim populated areas to say yes, they house terrorism.

Well they did say Iraq had WMD’s...but that’s a different story. We know the outcome of that.

The issue should be resolved quickly and peacefully. Though I’m doubting it as now it’s a tit for tat scenario and will be for a while I guess.

Indian MIGs should not have entered pak airspace after Pak retaliated the first time round. It was a grave mistake on their part.
 
There is no doubt that Modi is a tool, he’s caused enough grief as it is and had a personal vendetta against Muslims in general.

Hell even my Indian friends and family don’t like the guy very much and that says a lot

As for Imran Khan?? He’s trying his best to eradicate any terrorists within the country but due to the fact that previous PM’s sat back and turned a blind eye, makes his job that much harder. But yes he needs to do much more and I’m hopeful he will get there in the end. Don’t get me wrong though I think both sides are to blame for this happening. But as it’s happened, they really need to sit down and thrash it out and come to some sort of peaceful agreement.
 
SpartaK said:
Hopefully Imran Khan and Modi sit down and put this to an end before it gets worse.
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Imran Khan is somewhat limited in what he can do even if he wanted to... the military holds a lot of the power in his country. Beyond the general tension over the Kashmir issue the problem that kicked this current spat off was an insurgent attack in India killing 40 troops and (given the severity and perhaps the fact Indian elections are coming up) India feeling the need to respond to that attack (which isn't entirely unreasonable).

The fact is that Pakistan has a bit of a complex relationship with various islamist terror groups, while there is plenty of internal conflict between the Pakistani military and parts of some groups the Pakistani intelligence service also finds it useful to work with these groups such as in Afghanistan and (seemingly) in carrying out attacks against India. Or at best tolerates the presence of terrorist groups attacking India.

Now Imran Khan simply isn't in a position to, overnight, just get rid of these terrorist groups and it is these terrorist groups and the attacks they carry out against India that is the problem here.

Vita said:
It’s a shame because before they were independent they all got on. After the war and independence came hatred came. It’s only going to get worse because these countries have remained in the past, the mentality more so than the economy side of it.
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I think that is a bit of a rose tinted view tbh...
 
dowie said:
I think that is a bit of a rose tinted view tbh...
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Actually it’s not. They did get on. People got on. I’ve spoken to those who have witnessed life before and after the independence and they did say relations were much better.

Politics have ruined the public’s mentality of each other for both of these countries.
 
Vita said:
I am and proud. :)

I’m not into war or using force to get a point across but Modi, has troubled a lot of Muslims in India.
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Conversely, do you not think Pakistan has angered a lot of Hindu's? Harbouring terrorists. Mumbai as an example. ISI working extensively with terror groups (Secret Affair by Mark Curtis).

Pak is doing all it can go eliminate terrorism this was one of the top agendas IK made that he would try resolve when he came into office. This being said it isn’t something that can be eradicated overnight and I imagine taking a long time.
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It will but large numbers of Pakistanis (both here and there) support the aims of various terrorist factions. Imran Khan will fail unless the is a strand compelling them.

Unfortunately with the racial trait of these countries and media manipulation it’s common to point the finger at Asian/Muslim populated areas to say yes, they house terrorism.
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That is because they do. And have a large % of their population who openly endorse terrorism.

Well they did say Iraq had WMD’s...but that’s a different story. We know the outcome of that.
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But Pakistan does house terror groups, whom it has and does still support.

The issue should be resolved quickly and peacefully. Though I’m doubting it as now it’s a tit for tat scenario and will be for a while I guess.
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I don't condone a war starting and even with what's happened. India does have a right to defend itself and India is right to expect Pakistan to try and stop terrorists killing civilians.

Indian MIGs should not have entered pak airspace after Pak retaliated the first time round. It was a grave mistake on their part.
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So... Simple question: Did Pakistan use all its resources to prevent a terror attack being planned, operated and launched out of its territory into another country who had the sole intention to kill? If the answer was yes, this situation would not be.
 
Vita said:
Actually it’s not. They did get on. People got on. I’ve spoken to those who have witnessed life before and after the independence and they did say relations were much better.

Politics have ruined the public’s mentality of each other for both of these countries.
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They haven't got on. Ever since the first invasions, Hindus have held a strong mistrust of Islamic incursions and people as a whole, regardless of their individual good.
 
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