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Are we marching towards an oblivion?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by Evole, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. The_Abyss

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    Why are they doing this, what’s the purpose and who are they?
     
  2. Angilion

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    Nobody ever explains their religious beliefs. They can't - religious beliefs are a matter of belief, not reason, so there isn't an explanation.

    To make it clear - I am categorising your position as religious. You believe in superhuman entities that govern humanity. That's a religious position.
     
  3. SPG

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    No one is looking over us, do you think it was kind to put humanity through world wars, the dark ages and countless other ages of doom all the while something is sat chuckling at our folly and when it gets really bad they step in. The universe is massive, its so big its almost impossible to imagine its size...and for all that we have detected/witnessed nothing. Not a peep, nada, nothing even remotely on our technology level. We are alone for all intense and purposes.

    So now that is cleared up, its down to ourselves to sort it out, we are going to need our leaders to step up and start to compromise on a global level. If religion is going to get in the way of that compromise then it gets ring fenced and the nations in the midst of religious control get left behind. We do not integrate or allowselves to be dragged backwards by it.

    We have some very big questions coming up in the next 10-20 years especially on the social media front and the capitalist institutions that run them. They need their hands tied in regulation for starters. They are no longer or ever have been in it for the good of humanity only the $$$$. A good idea that has been twisted by the $$$$ and the power it holds our previous leaders had the will and forsight to slap regulation on the press to a degree the same needs to happen to these companies hiding behind it being IT.

    Its a shame on our goverments.
     
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  4. Freakbro

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    Umm, pardon?

    Disrupt the energy balance in the Universe? It wouldn't even be a noticeable blip even in just our corner of the universe. The sun produces energy from nuclear fusion, the amount output is roughly equivalent to 100 Billion 1 megaton nuclear bombs going off....every second.

    And our sun is a pretty minor, insignificant energy source in the universe. There have been super nova explosions that have released the entire energy output of our sun in it's whole lifetime in just one event.

    And since there is no 'and since this'

    There is no this.
     
  5. StriderX

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    Energy balance only makes sense in terms of the stability of the universe, entropy either maximises or it minimises. It naturally maximises in our current understanding.

    A sufficiently large enough explosion might bring with it attention, currently we can only make a small indent on the surface... which is ultimately rather pathetic. Even if we destroyed ourselves, it’s highly likely the planets biosphere would survive.

    No one would care, expect ourselves as frankly we should want to.
     
  6. Mr C

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    The idea that the Earth could make any changes to how the universe operates is ridiculous. Just for example look at the level of energy necessary to create most heavy elements that exist around us.

    https://www.economist.com/science-a...-table-is-a-result-of-neutron-stars-colliding

     
  7. Colonel_Klinck

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    It is amazing what some people believe isn't it lol. This planet and even more so humans are an insignificant blink of an eye on the universe. Why people can't be happy with this is beyond me. They need to feel humans but really themselves have some relevance when we are just another species on this planet, millions have come before us and hopefully millions more will come after humans have joined the very long list of extinct species.
     
  8. LOAM

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    This would be like you detecting an ant fart in Australia
     
  9. flea.rider

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    look the planet has cycles .. over the next 50 yrs or so .. a billion or so lives will be lost and things will get better it wont be till we really reach for the stars that anything positive will happen
    at the moment we are countrys when we can become a planet and help each other then things will move forward ..
    but at the same time we could just turn around and destroy ourselves .. but from the ashes something new will come ..
    just carry on as you do and hope for the best
     
  10. RedvGreen

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    Becoming a united planet when faced with xenophobia, power, money, fear, jealous, envy, hatred and emotions is simply not going to occur. It is a crying shame how some of the most advanced societies in the world, oft held up as pinnacles of modern culture, are now descending back into tribal isolationalism with murmours of religious zeal over things like 'Trump's wall' and 'Brexit' becoming actual things that people are willing to fight and harm each other over.

    Not sure how a situation like this could be avoided? Less freedom of speech? Enhanced powers for GCHQ to deny/monitor/take-down propaganda? etc

    We tried to educate everyone and allow everyone to have a voice, and see how that turned out for the Western Worlds of the UK and USA? one step forward, three steps back.
     
  11. flea.rider

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    no I'd start with greed most if not all confrontations start with that .. we don't know how to share and religion is the worst thing going it's an old standard.. what they used to use to keep everyone in line ..
    it needs to go .. outlaw all religion ... yeah I know there will be war ...
     
  12. Freakbro

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    That's a rather esoteric response to the general conversation, but if it's in reply to the questioning of your claims of extra terrestrial interference in human endeavours, then I generally have a higher evidencial bar than

    before pinning my belief to a theory.

    I mean, 300ft hardly seems a point where God, the supreme and ultimate being, would feel the need to intervene to stop mankind reaching heaven...
     
  13. Angilion

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    The proposed argument is even more ridiculous because it was that nuclear bombs would do so. If the entire Earth spontaneously and instantaneously converted into energy with 100% efficiency it would have an effect on a miniscule part of the universe, but nukes? That's so ridiculous that even the word "ridiculous" is woefully inadequate to express how ridiculous it is.

    There have already been vastly more energetic events on Earth. The most famous is the impact that almost certainly caused the extinction of the non-avian dinosaurs and many other animals. If you got every nuclear bomb ever made, put them all in the same place and set them all off at the same time...it would be a trivial event in comparison. And that wasn't even the most energetic impact, not even the most energetic impact since the early years of the Earth when it was battered to crap by numerous impacts. It's not even the biggest impact crater remaining on Earth today. It's the most famous one, but not the biggest one. But it was still so energetic that I can't even remember the prefix required to express how energetic it was. We're way, way past mega and giga and tera and all that. The effect on the universe of that explosion many times worse than detonating every nuclear bomb ever made was...nothing. Disrupting the energy balance of the universe? Piffle.

    So...I had a quick look for the right prefix. Yotta. Or mega mega mega mega, which sounds appropriately insane. A nuke is a sparrow gently landing on your hand in comparison. The lowest estimate for the energy release of that impact is the equivalant of 500,000,000,000,000 tonnes of TNT. Or 10,000,000 times the largest nuclear bomb ever detonated, a bomb which was far more powerful than any nuclear bomb in any country's arsenal.
     
  14. StriderX

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    And lest we forget that quite probably we had a planet smash into earth to create the moon, that was something.

    Even if we mined all the uranium on the planet we’d still never be able to come close to such a destructive ability. Our biggest attempt was 50 MT, which is perhaps 15 orders of magnitude smaller than planets colliding. (Earth sized being hit by a mars sized one with similar densities)
     
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