Are women more badge-conscious than men?

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I've noticed an interesting phenomenon of late.

Of all the Audi A3 and BMW 1 series cars I see, the base model ones (i.e. A3 1.6 or BMW 116i in base trim) seem to be predominately driven by women rather than men. Conversely, the "better" models with more powerful engines and better trim seem to be driven more often by men. There are obviously a great many exceptions but the general pattern seems to hold, from what I can tell.

Could we possibly assume from this that women are more "fickle" when it comes to badge awareness than men? I think women are generally more fashion conscious than men - perhaps this also extends to cars? I've always felt that the only people who buy such "poverty spec" cars are those who value the badge above all else and would rather have a poorly specced Audi or Beemer than a decently-kitted Focus or Astra. Maybe women are more superficial in their choice of car - whereas men would appreciate the details more, such as engines and specification, do women not see beyond the model and colour?

Another interesting statistic is that, of the base spec models, most women in A3s tend to be younger, in their 20s or 30s, whereas most in 116is tend to be more middle-aged.

Perhaps my observations are not representative and it's all coincidence. Opinions?
 
i think its a given...

nobody would spend £10k+ on a Renault Megane (1999 ish) Convertible with a 1.6l with s - and then cuss a lot when her b/f goes to look to buy a Skoda Octavia VRs...(based on badge not performance or cost...)

women just want to look good/okay and have a car that gets them there...(in general)

handling and performance must be lower on their radar.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Are there not more women in the sort of jobs where the company car is a 116i or an A3 1.6?

no but there are a few hubby's with cash who's wife wants a BMW or Audi and then he has to go and buy the smallest engine version to stop them from crashing into lots of things?
 
Nickg said:
no but there are a few hubby's with cash who's wife wants a BMW or Audi and then he has to go and buy the smallest engine version to stop them from crashing into lots of things?

Most drossy base models are lease cars, not personally owned cars. Company cars driven by estate agents, 'consultants' (note inverted commas - not proper consultancy but badge-titled consultants or support staff with a posh job title), junior reps, that sort of thing.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Most drossy base models are lease cars, not personally owned cars. Company cars driven by estate agents, 'consultants' (note inverted commas - not proper consultancy but badge-titled consultants or support staff with a posh job title), junior reps, that sort of thing.

maybe but the 2 examples i posted are both real life and factual (albeit potentially not representative) and are both from the same family. LOL



alternatively, maybe they get a budget to buy a car and instead of going for the 2.0TD Leon they go for the BMW 116 instead? whch again does come down to snobbery - i guess.
 
Nickg said:
alternatively, maybe they get a budget to buy a car and instead of going for the 2.0TD Leon they go for the BMW 116 instead? whch again does come down to snobbery - i guess.

I'd have a 116 over a 2.0TD Leon, if you are going to have an utterly horrible underpowered heap of nasty hatchback you might as well get one thats properly built.
 
i thought the 2.0TD was actually good - like 150-170bhp? surely better than a cheapo bmw 116i?

but yea thats the decision my mate had and maybe thats the case with these women?
 
[TW]Fox said:
Are there not more women in the sort of jobs where the company car is a 116i or an A3 1.6?
Possibly, but I suspect the vast majority of people in such a situation would have the option of going for a better specced Focus or Astra, in which case the choice they made is still relevant.
Most drossy base models are lease cars, not personally owned cars.
I'd actually be quite interested to see the statistics on how many of these base models are indeed company cars compared to those privately owned. With regard to the middle-aged women in 116is, I suspect the vast majority of these are privately owned and are the second car "runabout" for the upper middle class suburbanite housewive who wouldn't be seen dead in a Focus or Astra.
 
One thing to remember - 99.99% of women know jack **** about cars.

My laydee thinks my oil burner is "just as good" as the BMW.

Umm, ok.
 
[TW]Fox said:
I'd have a 116 over a 2.0TD Leon, if you are going to have an utterly horrible underpowered heap of nasty hatchback you might as well get one thats properly built.
Whilst I accept that an A3 or 1 series is going be better constructed than a Focus, Astra or Leon, I can't believe any significant percentage of the women driving poverty spec versions thereof could honestly claim that was a factor in their decision.
 
[TW]Fox said:
I'd have a 116 over a 2.0TD Leon, if you are going to have an utterly horrible underpowered heap of nasty hatchback you might as well get one thats properly built.
Whilst I probably wouldn't have a Leon as I'm not that keen on the looks, I'd take a Focus Titanium over a base spec 116i or A3 1.6 in a heartbeat, and the prices are comparable.

If I see someone in a Focus Ghia or Titanium I'll think "nice choice" whereas if I saw someone in a similarly priced 116i or A3 I'd think "you plank" :)
 
No, but salemen are.

All but 1 of our current salesmen took base spec A3s or 1 series in company car allocations. The 1 who didn't got an Octavia 2.0 TDi, with leather ,sat nav and all the trimmings.

The A3/1 series didn't come with alloys, leather, cd player, air con etc.

I'll have the Octavia please.
 
most of my aunts company cars were M3s before she withdrew from the company car policy and then owned a M3, porsche boxster (oh dear), and merc slk amg

however this ones policy worked more by heres a budget and dont buy a crap looking car rather than, heres a fleet of Audis/BMWs, pick one
 
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gobbo said:
No, but salemen are.

All but 1 of our current salesmen took base spec A3s or 1 series in company car allocations. The 1 who didn't got an Octavia 2.0 TDi, with leather ,sat nav and all the trimmings.

The A3/1 series didn't come with alloys, leather, cd player, air con etc.

I'll have the Octavia please.

That's just the decision I'm trying to make at the moment, was looking at the A3 or A4 and with all the toys I wanted it started adding up to a hefty sum. In a total reverse badge snobbery decision I am test driving an Octavia tomorrow with the same dull engine and DSG box that I love.
 
In general, women view cars differently to men, women see them as tools to get them from A to B. I'd say a majority of men also view them as objects that can give them enjoyment. Therein lies the difference... And that's why they go for much more research than women seem to. Ofc, there will be exceptions but it's only my naive (nearly 16yrold) view, mind.
 
Women don’t buy cars for the same reasons as men do, they buy them because they decide that is the car they want and don’t look at its performance of what toys you get. (*in general)

For example my mother is looking for a new car and says she wants a Saab convertible, when I asked her why she wanted it she didn’t have a reason apart from she wanted one. She will never put the top down because it will blow her hair around, it doesn’t have enough doors to transport my grandparents and there is no room in the boot to put shopping because of where the hood goes. :confused:
 
Strikes me that part of the reason for the badge snobbery thoughts is simply that most women not only don't know much about cars, but also don't want to know.
Mix that in with an individual who is by their nature risk averse and more interested in safety than ability and you end up with someone who buys a 1 series because "it's a BMW, therefore bound to be a lower risk than a Fiat".

An analogy would be someone walks into Comet and buys a Sony TV, just because it's got a well known brand name. No significant difference really as for most women, both are appliances.
 
To be honest, I think it's not so much to do with sex, but more to do with knowledge about cars.


People in my school who are absolutely minted would prefer a Golf gti over an Octavia VRS 2nd hand, even though I pointed out they were identical, they refused to believe this until I proved it, and then just said "It's a Skoda".

I also think, a lot of women want something that is not necessarily good, but stylish. Hence a 116i is ideal, since it's not particularly good, but stylish (Not imo one bit ;)).


Many people don't realise the differences between cars and feel they're mostly cosmetic, apart from the "super cars".

I'm a guy and I think it's the quality of the car that matters and the technical ability, not the badge. Obviously looks have a small bearing, but I'd happily own a Volvo 480 turbo, an Octavia VRS or any other of the kind of classic Jap sports cars.
 
We have a pretty good car scheme at our place, lots of variation in types and models, and scary how some people make decisions to pick their cars,badge snobbery is rife, theres quite a few reps with base spec 3 series, thing is they are actually very very expensive compared to other cars, one lad went for a 320d, over an accord diesel, the accord was the top spec and was costing him £115, the poverty spec 320 was £189, give me the accord anyday.

I was going to go for a specced up A3, but it was twice the price of my ST3,my bird still thinks im loopy, and that despite the fact she was complaing about the harsh ride in the A3 :rolleyes:
 
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