Are you afraid of death?

[Tobes]

Yeah I am. It's a bit more than being afraid and more a phobia. It's not pain or death itself (although a slow death where I know I am dying would scare me), it's the thought of not existing. I don't like the fact that it's nothingness.

Sometimes when I'm in bed just thinking sometimes I will get to thinking about it and it messes me up and I have to get up and do something to take my mind off it. It bugs me because I can't except it and it happens to everyone. I hate watching films set in space where everyone slowly dies off to save the rest of the crew. Then the last one dies to save the world etc. Like Sunshine and... can't think of the other one. I don't know why but unlike a horror or something they always get me thinking.

The funny thing is I think I could happily sacrifice myself for the life of a loved one, probably wouldn't even need to be a loved one tbh.

 

[NightSt@lk3r]

on the flip side are you afraid to kill someone?

If it was kill or be killed, then sure, that doesn't mean im afraid of death though.

 

[Nix]

its impossible to know, untill the situation arrives...

but as a general "are you afraid" i would say no.

on the flip side are you afraid to kill someone?

No, but as a rational and moral being, I choose not to. The only time I would willingly kill would be if my life or those around me were in mortal danger and killing was the only way to prevent that. Of course, in turn I would also try to prevent putting myself in such positions where my life was in mortal danger where I'd need to defend myself with such finality. Such, is the reason why I chose in the end not to join the armed forces.

 

[Tefal]

They did themselves.

But god made us instinctively inclined to such actions he could have made use without the desire to hurt anyone, but still have the choice to. Yet he chose to make a great deal of people with the need to hurt people.

 

[Gaijin]

I don't waste my time with it. When it comes, I won't even notice.

I'll be too busy looking gooood.

 

[Nix]

Get in line to spit on his/hers face

Depressing thread nix! - But a subject I think a lot about lately..

It doesn't have to be depressing. The thread's aim is more about getting some open dialog going on the subject. I believe that in this day and age, we do not face up to or mortality nearly enough or truthfully. Perhaps none of us would be afraid (as much as we are) if we talked about it more. Communicating afterall, helps to allieviate anxiety.

 

[Aeleys]

If it was kill or be killed, then sure, that doesn't mean im afraid of death though.

i didnt say it was, i was just curious...

i'll also have no problem taking a life, if it saves mine or someone that was close to me for that matter regardless of the consequence

 

[PermaBanned]

Naturally i fear it in that i value my existence and wish it to continue as long as is practically possible but it is inevitable, and since there's nothing you can do about that then there's no point in worrying about it. Live in the here and now, make the most of it so you can say you've enjoyed life when it ends.

You are tiny. You are one of 6 BILLION humans alive at the minute and of those maybe 200 MAX will care when you die. They will then get on with their lives and forget about you, and when they die themselves you'll be lucky to have 2 people in the next generation that remember you. Beyond that you'll be gone, forever. Not even a memory, maybe somebody will dig you up in a family tree but that's nothing. Even if you are incredibly lucky and have many more people remember you then you will still be forgotten any number of years down the line, either when humanity dies out and there's no other race to pass it on to or when the universe ends.

Consider this, if you are just one tiny link in the huge chain that is our species, and our species is one of millions on the planet, and our planet is one of countless billions in the galaxy, and our galaxy is just one of yet more countless billions of galaxies in the universe, and our universe is just one of any number in the multiverse then how many humans does it take to change a light bulb? Exactly, even if you try to make a difference then all that matters in your life is that you're happy, and you make others happy too.

 

[Vita]

But god made us instinctively inclined to such actions he could have made use without the desire to hurt anyone, but still have the choice to. Yet he chose to make a great deal of people with the need to hurt people.

Good point. God did make us to Sin. There isn't a single person in the world who hasn't sinned, minus babies that die and what not. However, it the whole point to know right from wrong. Where help is due, help, not take advantage and turn the ignorant eye.

The test is, to be kind and not to hurt, it's the whole concept of knowing this that maybe you will achieve something in life. But tbh, you can't live in this world being like that, you'd get walked on from all over, so I guess only natural thing to be, is the opposite.

 

[asim18]

How do you separate the two?

sorry? I don't understand. Separate what exactly?

 

[Greenlizard0]

Afraid of how my family would feel. My parents still have a few years left in them so having to bury their son isn't nice to say the least.

If the death's instantaneous then fair enough, I guess I'm scared of a protracted painful death like yourself Nix.

Not really much else to say I suppose.

 

[jp_bl_68]

sorry? I don't understand. Separate what exactly?

Not being afraid of dying and wanting to survive as long as possible.

 

[Tefal]

But there are people who have such severe mental problems that they basically "must" hurt someone, to them not to would be like telling you not to love.

Were they just made as a cruel joke?

Why should some be faced with insurmountable tests where as others are given a free pass?

 

[Rainmaker]

You've confused me with this. Are you saying that you don't fear this:

Grim Reaper[img]

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No, I'm saying that humans are the ones who built up the process of death and dying into its own 'entity' (concept, idea). An animal would share our survival instinct; that much is hard-wired and understandably so. However, there's a huge difference between avoiding obviously detrimental and life-threatening situations (self-preservation) and being actually afraid of death when it comes.

For example, as alluded by myself above... I fear death not, but lo neither am I a suicidal Emo. :p When it comes, it comes. Until then I'm in no damn rush. :D

 

[asim18]

Not being afraid of dying and wanting to survive as long as possible.

Ok...

My theory on death is this: Once I'm dead, I won't have a conciousness, I won't feel pain, emotion, or anything. I won't know I'm dead and I won't know i ever existed. There will be nothing, just nothing. I am not scared of being in this state.

Just because I'm not scared of being in this state, does not mean I want to die.

 

[Nix]

But there are people who have such severe mental problems that they basically "must" hurt someone, to them not to would be like telling you not to love.

Were they just made as a cruel joke?

Why should some be faced with insurmountable tests where as others are given a free pass?

Just as a possible argument to that. Let's assume the 'man as a conscious fetus' theory has some credibility.

Individuals in such a scenario are all sums of the larger whole; a being developing itself through seperate lifespans. It learns each end of the scale so as it can truly appreciate the scale itself.

Madness therefore is the opposite of sanity and could therefore be used to justify a lesson in the appreciation of sane conciousness in the first instance.

As I said earlier: we don't know the variables, so there's no point in trying to argue the substance. Stop worrying and get on with what's really important.

 

[Vita]

But there are people who have such severe mental problems that they basically "must" hurt someone, to them not to would be like telling you not to love.

Those are forgiven, unless they chose to go down that path themselves. If someone lead them into it, then they're forgiven.

rWere they just made as a cruel joke?

No I wouldn't think so.

Why should some be faced with insurmountable tests where as others are given a free pass?

No-one is given a free pass. You have to remember God is oft-most forgiving. It's just the whole right of wrong and having faith. Not letting your beliefs fail, or giving up.

Some people are born with disabilities, it is God's way of showing to others how lucky they are to working limbs/speech/sight. Yes some people would call it a sick joke, as the person is suffering.

How long do we live on this world? 80/90 years? Or whenever God decides to take us, whether we be 1 or 20 years old. Then what? We go into another dimension? Or live our life as a animal? Or live in eternal peace in Heaven or feel the pain of Hell?

That the only thing that changes peoples perspective of death. Death will always remain death it cannot be sugar coated into something else. Just what happens after is upto the individual, whether they believe in heaven or hell, or believe in other dimensions.

 

[Rainmaker]

But there are people who have such severe mental problems that they basically "must" hurt someone, to them not to would be like telling you not to love.

Were they just made as a cruel joke?

Why should some be faced with insurmountable tests where as others are given a free pass?

Questions like these tend to derail and we've had what, three?, threads of this nature in the last week. However to answer the seemingly religious/philosophical question now you've asked; there are several possibilities off the top of my head.

Maybe they're the 'advanced' souls? You don't send a theoretical physicist with seven PhDs to study basic addition at primary school as their next assignment.

Maybe, taking the karma/cause>effect/reap as you sow perspective, they have stuff to work out that others don't. Tons of possibilities and that's without leaving theology/metaphysics.

 

[jp_bl_68]

However, there's a huge difference between avoiding obviously detrimental and life-threatening situations (self-preservation) and being actually afraid of death when it comes.

What's the difference?

 

[jp_bl_68]

Ok...

My theory on death is this: Once I'm dead, I won't have a conciousness, I won't feel pain, emotion, or anything. I won't know I'm dead and I won't know i ever existed. There will be nothing, just nothing. I am not scared of being in this state.

Just because I'm not scared of being in this state, does not mean I want to die.

So you're afraid of dying but you're not afraid of being dead?