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Poll: Are you going to vote in the European Elections?

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by BowdonUK, May 6, 2019.

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Who will you be voting for?

Poll closed May 23, 2019.
  1. Conservative

    2 vote(s)
    0.8%
  2. Labour

    8 vote(s)
    3.2%
  3. Liberal Democrat

    143 vote(s)
    56.7%
  4. Brexit

    58 vote(s)
    23.0%
  5. UKIP

    7 vote(s)
    2.8%
  6. SNP

    7 vote(s)
    2.8%
  7. Change UK

    3 vote(s)
    1.2%
  8. Green

    20 vote(s)
    7.9%
  9. DUP

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Plaid Cymru

    1 vote(s)
    0.4%
  11. Independent

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  12. Other party

    3 vote(s)
    1.2%
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  1. Shocky-FM

    Mobster

    Joined: Nov 13, 2005

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    Doesn't change the fact that they would have picked up a large potion of the votes with or without Brexit.
     
  2. Cleisthenes

    Soldato

    Joined: Jul 29, 2013

    Posts: 7,165

    Location: TN1

    Where does Farage get his figures from @ 4.05 into this video, saying if you add them up they have a majority? Even if you do include the Tory vote like he said :confused:
     
  3. Cleisthenes

    Soldato

    Joined: Jul 29, 2013

    Posts: 7,165

    Location: TN1

    I'm not sure you realise how daft you sound
     
  4. Shocky-FM

    Mobster

    Joined: Nov 13, 2005

    Posts: 3,395


    Here, all he did was add the Tory votes onto Pro-Brexit, Labour are not a remain party.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48417228
     
  5. Cleisthenes

    Soldato

    Joined: Jul 29, 2013

    Posts: 7,165

    Location: TN1

    Please enlighten me as to which numbers you're using, as I get 44% from Brexit, Cons & UKIP

    Including Labour gets to 58% which isn't the figure Farage used.

    Also, just because Labour isn't a remain party doesn't mean they're a leave party!
     
  6. Shocky-FM

    Mobster

    Joined: Nov 13, 2005

    Posts: 3,395

    That's correct, which is more than 40.4% for the "Anti-Brexit" parties. That's what he was referring too. :confused:
     
  7. chrcoluk

    Mobster

    Joined: Feb 27, 2015

    Posts: 3,359

    on europe their stance is the same and this is a eu political discussion and election.
     
  8. Murphy

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Sep 16, 2018

    Posts: 1,459

    He doesn't get them from anywhere, he's been lying to people for decades so he's not going to change anytime soon, even if the results are displayed right next to his mug...playing to peoples victim mentality is what's got him where he is today so no reason to change now.
    His own party tweeted that a vote for Labour equaled a vote for remain only last week so while revisionism is par for the course with Farage pretending they said anything else would be dishonest.
     
  9. chrcoluk

    Mobster

    Joined: Feb 27, 2015

    Posts: 3,359

    I think its silly to use labour or tory in any remain/leave camps, as both those parties will have too many loyalists voting for them.
     
  10. Slam62

    Soldato

    Joined: Jan 3, 2006

    Posts: 7,193

    Location: Monaco

    So do people not accept the result of a democratic vote, run to the rules and system that had been lawfully stipulated.?

    Are we going to change the rules every time so we get the result we want.?

    It seems to me similar to the approach taken by various dictators to claim a win.

    I must say it is disturbing.
     
  11. Stephanie Peterson

    Hitman

    Joined: Jan 9, 2019

    Posts: 740

    Hilarious looking at all sides clambering for straws trying to spin there own angle.
     
  12. Irish_Tom

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 12,040

    I don’t think anyone has said that they don’t accept the result. People are debating the interpretation of the results, but no one is saying the vote was fraudulent and/or should be rerun.

    What exactly are you getting at?
     
  13. redeye

    Gangster

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 399

    Location: Leipzig, Germany

    Considering the amount of EU nationals turned away from voting, despite being registered and the complete farce around UK nationals living abroad who didn't receive their postal vote forms in time, actually I would say there is a case for a legal disupute on the result. It won't / can't happen, but you can't deny it was completely screwed up by the Govenment. They knew the timescale, yet didn't leave enough notice for it to be setup correctly. Utter farce. But it's what we've come to expect from UK politics.
     
  14. MadMossy

    Soldato

    Joined: Oct 25, 2004

    Posts: 5,891

    Location: Sunny Torbaydos

    Based on the results, apparently if it had been a general election, we'd be looking at Farage as PM with a huge majority. Bigger than even Tony Blair had in the 90s.
     
  15. chroniclard

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 23, 2014

    Posts: 11,877

    Location: Hertfordshire

    Far from a GE though.
     
  16. D.P.

    Caporegime

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 29,966


    But in a GE things would be very, very different. At a stretch we can view the results as a proxy referendum where 1/3rd of the people voted for a WTO Brexit and 2/3rds didn't, but that it self needs a little fudging.


    IF this was a GE then obviously people would vote differently, and the FTTP would mean a lot of smaller parties don;t get any seats. There is a lot more strategy involved for the parties to convert votes to seats, which is why UKIP didn't win any seats in 2015 despite a chunk of voters because they lacked any kind of experience and strategy.
     
  17. chroniclard

    Capodecina

    Joined: Apr 23, 2014

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    Location: Hertfordshire

    BXP may be different they have a lot of illicit funding. Though that might get scrutinized more if they become a proper party.
     
  18. Flubble

    Wise Guy

    Joined: Mar 8, 2006

    Posts: 1,403

    Location: Somewhere, UK

    what a poor turnout 36.7% :(
     
  19. Irish_Tom

    Capodecina

    Joined: Oct 18, 2002

    Posts: 12,040

    You are right and it is a massive screw up but unless it can be shown that those missing votes would have fundamentally changed any of the seat allocations, I doubt anything will come of it.

    For the purposes of us dissecting the results, I don’t think we would see any significant changes, so unfortunately we just have to add those people to the 63% who chose not to vote.
     
  20. Roar87

    Soldato

    Joined: May 10, 2012

    Posts: 5,097

    Location: Leeds

    So basically this place is in no way representative of the country, quelle surprise
     
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