Are you racist? If not, are you tired of the race hunt?
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Im not a racialist but I dont think multi-culturalism works. If people do not want to embrace what being English or Bitish is, then they should go back to their own Countries... maybe thats racist, maybe its just plain old English common sense.
What race hunt? Oh, you mean those pictures in the Sun yesterday, that hold even less weight that the paper they are printed on? (both literal, and lateral meanings of the word..)
There is no "race hunt," other than in the minds of the narrow minded folk who are doing the hunting.
There is no "race hunt," other than in the minds of the narrow minded folk who are doing the hunting.
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xander_uk2 said:
Thats strange. Statistically, Eastern European immigrants are likely to put a lot more into the economy than they take out. They are not able to recieve unemployment benefit upon arrival and as they only stay for relatively short amounts of time, they generate a lot of economic growth.
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I agree, I'm tired of this racism malarkey. It hurts me to see this overtly defamatory article on the front of Britains highest selling paper. It hurts me to think that other nations are seeing these things and stereotyping the entirety of Britain racists. I cannot see how this article can do anything but exacerbate race relations.
I always have this impression that the editor and writers of The Sun are sitting arrogantly in their offices laughing heartily at their readers who lap up every article they print as insightful and professional journalism.
News can be presented impartially and factually without editorial opinion and comment.Arcade Fire said:
So clearly a paper CAN be independent. Claiming otherwise is indeed vacuous
Although claiming something is left wing and then claiming it is independent in the same post is hilarious Another dodgevonhelmet said:
I asked you to explain why in your educated and superior opinion why a race slur is treated as being so more serious than a slur about ginger hair.
You've not answered the question on 3 occassions.
Well you've replied but the reply did not have much to do with the question.
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That would be (1) asking the impossible, and (2) really boring to read. Even the selection of which stories to report can reflect a bias in the opinions of the editors.VIRII said:
As I'm sure you well know, I (and The Independent newspaper) am not using the word 'independent' in the sense to mean that it is devoid of all opinion whatsoever. I'm using it to mean "not affiliated to any political party", in the same sense that an independent candidate can run for election. Clearly they're not independent in your sense, but they are in mine. Stop playing word games.
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Stop playing word games? But I am just correcting your errorisms .....
I made a comment that a paper called the Independent did not seem all that independent. You are the one who felt the need to comment on it and get into some semantics. (AGAIN
)I'll play word games if I wish, you don't have to jump in feet first and get the wrong end of the stick whilst trying to "correct" me do you?
I'll pun when I feel like it. It was an obvious pun, you made it into another point scoring exercise, what can I say.
Incidentally impartial presentation of the news is far from impossible and far from boring. I prefer to make my own mind up rather than have someone elses opinions spoonfed to me..... each to their own, if you prefer the latter then knock yourself out.
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Haha. Where is it that you get this completely impartial news reporting? I'd love to go there. It sounds magical.
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I thought you'd find it boring?
Regardless it is still possible to present news independently of the journalists political opinions. A paper calling itself "the independent" could be expected to be less obviously politically biased........
Nil points again it seems young man. Keep trying
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Sorry, I missed that. Where did you say you go to get your completely impartial, unbiased news?
I didn't.Arcade Fire said:
At no point have I claimed that there *is* completely unbiased journalism, just that for a paper named Independent it is not all that independent.......
Why do you try to make a big deal out of every post I make?
Just what is your problem, why do you feel the need to try and score points and keep falling on your face when you do so? It is pathetic, I guess to be expected from a young lad though.
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Can't believe i've read through all the posts in here.
Oddly, only a couple have really mentioned something that i tend to think about;
Who the f*ck cares about name-calling.?! The majority of racism is verbal and not physical. And if someone calls a black person a n*gger then are they gonna fall down dead? In the adult society do people not have a strong enough backgbone that they can ignore any name-calling? FFS... a black person calling a black person a n*gger is fine!
It fkin galls me that people sue for being called something they don't like to be called, like its "hurt their feelings". Well excuse me all to hell, what kind of sissy society are we living in nowadays.
Now, i hate racism as much as the next person (who hopefully is also a non-racist). But i have referred to countless asians, blacks, and others by their most common 'racist' names. I'd never say it to their faces, because i don't believe its polite. I'd never say it in front of my family or anyone else who may misinterpret my reference. I may be wrong in just making simple references, but for the love of god, its getting ridiculous.
This Big Brother rubbish. Even Jermaine and Shilpa said it wasn't racist, it was just schoolyard bullying!! And seeing as they're all adults in there, they should be able to handle it. But the media has effectively ended what careers these 'bullies' have/had and for what? just to make money by playing the racist card! Don't care about Jade though, that bumb bint deserves all thats bad coming to her.
One of my oldest friends is black. One of my best friends and oppo's in the marines was asian. He got called **** regularly, and didn't mind, why? Cos its short for Pakistani, or Pakistan...ya know the country he came from?
Do we feel insulted for being called a Brit or a Pom? I certainly don't.
Grrrrrrrr......it does get annoying, but this topic, despite a recent objection to it, should remain. If you don't like the topic, don't read/post in it.
Nuff said
Oddly, only a couple have really mentioned something that i tend to think about;
Who the f*ck cares about name-calling.?! The majority of racism is verbal and not physical. And if someone calls a black person a n*gger then are they gonna fall down dead? In the adult society do people not have a strong enough backgbone that they can ignore any name-calling? FFS... a black person calling a black person a n*gger is fine!
It fkin galls me that people sue for being called something they don't like to be called, like its "hurt their feelings". Well excuse me all to hell, what kind of sissy society are we living in nowadays.
Now, i hate racism as much as the next person (who hopefully is also a non-racist). But i have referred to countless asians, blacks, and others by their most common 'racist' names. I'd never say it to their faces, because i don't believe its polite. I'd never say it in front of my family or anyone else who may misinterpret my reference. I may be wrong in just making simple references, but for the love of god, its getting ridiculous.
This Big Brother rubbish. Even Jermaine and Shilpa said it wasn't racist, it was just schoolyard bullying!! And seeing as they're all adults in there, they should be able to handle it. But the media has effectively ended what careers these 'bullies' have/had and for what? just to make money by playing the racist card! Don't care about Jade though, that bumb bint deserves all thats bad coming to her.
One of my oldest friends is black. One of my best friends and oppo's in the marines was asian. He got called **** regularly, and didn't mind, why? Cos its short for Pakistani, or Pakistan...ya know the country he came from?
Do we feel insulted for being called a Brit or a Pom? I certainly don't.
Grrrrrrrr......it does get annoying, but this topic, despite a recent objection to it, should remain. If you don't like the topic, don't read/post in it.
Nuff said
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Hold on. So now you're saying that although it's easy to report the news completely impartially, nobody does it? Or maybe someone does do it, but you just don't read it - even though you prefer to make your own mind up and not be spoonfed other people's opinions? I'm confused.VIRII said:
I digress, anyhow. You're right, it was just a passing comment and I should probably have just passed it by, even though I disagreed with it, because it wouldn't do to oppose opinions you believe to be false, would it?
Ah, screw it. What would I know? I'm only a young lad - I can't be expected to posess the magical, innate wisdom that comes with being over thirty now, can I?
I have not said that either. Why don't you stick to what was said?Arcade Fire said:
You might engage that wonderful intellect of yours and recall that I have stated several times in various threads that I read a range of newspapers and that I think that is the best way as it gives a range of opinions and views from which you can make up your own mind.
Only it was not a false opinion was it. The independent is not all that independent, even you said "it is a fact that is left leaning" ......Arcade Fire said:
You might do, you don't appear to possess the ability not to try and pick fault with any comment I make thoughArcade Fire said:
I put that down to you being young to give your the benefit of the doubt. Are you saying you're actually just a *****?They do not generate 'a lot' of economic growth, unless you know something that the official government figures do not. And they send most of their money to Poland or wherever they came from, which unless I'm missing something does not do the UK any favours.starscream said: