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Article 13 of the EU copyright reform proposal rejected but they push ahead anyway

Discussion in 'Speaker's Corner' started by humbug, May 31, 2018.

  1. Nasher

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    Yep the search engines will have even more power. If a site wants money for links, then people stop linking to them and it effectively vanishes from the internet. These companies lobbing for it don't seem to release that they aren't going to profit from it in the end. They will just get snubbed.
     
  2. dowie

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    Bit premature methinks, it certainly hasn't been killed off.

    What you need to do now (if you want to keep an entrenched view like some other pro-EU types) is instead put forth the stance that you don't care about the silly legislation anyway and it could be a good thing actually cos something about hurting the Daily Mail.
     
  3. Nasher

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    Got to get racists and something about Nigel Farage in there too.
     
  4. Tefal

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    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-45495550

    I'm confused was it killed off or approved?

    As it seems like it passed?


     
  5. Mr Jack

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    It was revised following an initial rejection, and the revised version passed approval by the EU parliament. There is still some way to go before it is finalised.
     
  6. Nasher

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    Still seems like it's being forced though. Against what the people want...
     
  7. StriderX

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    It's literally 2 articles in question, most politicians would see how beneficial the rest is and weigh up the problem as a pure numbers game to solve their conundrum considering most people dont give a **** about their MEP.

    No surprise that they just end up voting individualistically.

    I totally get why it went past Parliament, and frankly it's your (the voter ultimately) fault.
     
  8. Skunkworks

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    Just look at some of those quotes at the bottom: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Juncker

    *click click* That's the sound of the EU authoritarian ratchet. Each click in isolation means little, but it's been clicking constantly for decades.
     
  9. Nasher

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    Probably the booze talking.
     
  10. Skunkworks

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    In vino veritas.
     
  11. Mr Jack

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    Firstly, how do you know what "the people" want?

    Secondly, the role of a representational parliament isn't to deliver "what the people want" on every detail, it's to consider and deliver a direction that is beneficial for all that reflects the overall view of their electors. On any individual issue a parliament may decide that the plebiscite is wrong and they should act differently.
     
  12. Tefal

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    Well given this will only negatively affect the public at large to protect the interests of a small group of mega wealthy individuals; public opinion is pretty easy to judge....
     
  13. Mr Jack

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    Well, if you want to take the side of mega-corporations like Google against the Society Of Authors then, sure, that's an entirely reasonable take.
     
  14. Tefal

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    Yes I do. And so will most people because most people do not want to have thier online experience degraded.

    It's dinosaurs trying to stay relevant.
     
  15. Mr Jack

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    It's people who would want to make a living from creating things against people who want to profit from sharing things that other people created without letting the people who put the effort in taking a fair share.

    Unless your online experience is fundamentally based on taking stuff from people without paying you shouldn't be particularly worried.
     
  16. Nasher

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    If they don't like it, they don't have to use the internet...

    The internet was never really made for business, it was made as a place to share knowledge.
     
  17. efish

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  18. platypus

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    A significant number of MPs in our country voted to make it illegal to show a female orgasm, amongst other entirely trivial things. They also voted to impose one of the most restrictive and punitive bills that the world has ever seen in the so called Snoopers Charter.

    Who are these idiots? Yes thats right - people we've elected.
     
  19. efish

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    That one speaks volumes. How do you tell what one looks like?

    Emotional physical responses are universal, all cultures understand when someone is happy when someone is in pain etc.

    One notable exception, which is curiously cultural specific, prone to change and adaption. Its also unlike all other physical/ emotional visual expressions confused with other emotional responses, pain in particular.

    M.p's face arse/ elbow distinction dilemma, in rush to moral outrage. Who would have thunk it.;)
     
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2018
  20. Secret_Window

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    I didn't realise this was actually going ahead.

    If true, (well, appears to be for now), then I think this going way too far.

    More about it here:

    https://www.youtube.com/intl/en-GB/saveyourinternet/

    I wonder if us leaving the EU will mean we will incorporate it or at least be able to decide whether to or not?