As we approach the release of Windows 8

NathanE said:
They aren't. They've got rid of a single menu that hardly anyone actually properly used any more anyway. The only thing I use on the Start Menu is the Run prompt. But I don't even access that via the Start Menu, I WinKey+R it. I also use the Start Menu's search box but less frequently and Metro has a better replacement for that anyway.

There really is no issue at all with what they're doing. Nobody uses the Start Menu any more. Microsoft decided to take the opportunity to remove the bloat.

Get over it!
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The thing is it's geared towards touch screen use and it'll probably be great for touch screen users, I don't know anyone who has a desktop pc that use's a touch screen mind you, I don't care to much about the start button, what I don't like is the hidden menu's and placing your mouse in corners to do something that ms thought would be great to hide away, just shutting down windows 8 is a chore (yes I know I could just press the power button, but I don't)

To remove bloat, lol, they have added a ton of bloat, not sure who they are trying to impress though, a lot of people can see it's useless bloat on top of a gimped windows 7.
 
paradigm said:
I'll (and the enterprise I'm at will) be skipping Windows 8 like the turd it is.
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Absolutely this 100%.

We provide IT management & support for two dozen clients with a total user base of about 500.

We have absolutely ZERO time to be faffing around with a children's operating system. Normally, we'd be all over our clients with offers to upgrade, like with windows 7, but Windows 8 will be an absolute disaster rollout so we aren't even bothering.
 
Why do all the people that are desperate for Metro to succeed all come up with that same line?

'Nobody uses the Start Menu any more'.

I still use it, my parents still use it, my direct colleagues at work still use it, the people I support at work still use it. Who exactly is nobody? :confused:

Given how many people on forums such as these don't like Metro and can't see any reason to upgrade to Windows 8 I'll guarantee the general public certainly won't like it :)
 
NathanE said:
Nobody uses the Start Menu any more. Microsoft decided to take the opportunity to remove the bloat.

Get over it!
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What? So a neatly listed textual menu is more bloaty than a flashy UI full of icons, fat buttons, widgets, graphical rendering time, etc etc....???

Also, I used the start menu about 1000 times in the past week.

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Microsoft decided to ditch the start menu, I can understand that if nobody uses it. What i can't understand is why they then felt the need to put a different menu in its place (via right clicking in that corner of the desktop). If nobody uses the start menu, why bother putting anything at all on there, especially when it has such often (lol) used apps like event viewer and the disk management console...and two command prompt entries just to pad the menu out a little more. Don't get me wrong, I quite like it as it's a little bit geeky, but it's just odd.

Why do all the people that are desperate for Metro to succeed all come up with that same line?
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why are people so desperate for it to fail is my question. Metro has virtually zero use on my windows 8 pc, and shock horror I get on just fine. The lengths people will go to trash windows 8 on the metro interface and metro interface alone is crazy, you're all too quite to dismiss the improvements made to the desktop environment and refuse to see the bigger picture. windows 8 is an improvement is just about every area over 7. If that isn't enough to warrant a purchase then that's fine, but you cannot expect anybody to take you seriously when your only argument against buying win8 is that it has a tacked on metro interface that you do not have to use other than when you log on (i dont mean you personally, pigeon)
 
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Windows 8 will be going on the PC that runs the 65" NEC touch panel at work. And that's about it for now. It won't be going on staff PCs until these magical tablet things that aren't awful arrive, or I can GPO Metro out of it.
 
I have never used it, never even had the RC installed. Is the start bar still there? And is it the same as Win7? I very very rarely use the Start Menu, everything I use is on the start bar. If its not on there, I forget I even have it!
 
james.miller said:
why are people so desperate for it to fail is my question. Metro has virtually zero use on my windows 8 pc, and shock horror get on just fine. The lengths people will go to trash windows 8 on the metro interface and metro interface alone is crazy, you're all too quite to dismiss the improvements made to the desktop environment.
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Who's trashing Windows 8? As far as I can tell it's literally just Metro people have a problem with, not the actual O/S. I'm sure it'll offer a number of improvements over Windows 7 but will 99% of those improvements ever be noticed by a normal Windows user?

IMO the first thing people are going to think when they get their new PC home from the high street and start Windows is going to be, WTF is this?
 
NathanE said:
They aren't. They've got rid of a single menu that hardly anyone actually properly used any more anyway. The only thing I use on the Start Menu is the Run prompt. But I don't even access that via the Start Menu, I WinKey+R it. I also use the Start Menu's search box but less frequently and Metro has a better replacement for that anyway.

There really is no issue at all with what they're doing. Nobody uses the Start Menu any more. Microsoft decided to take the opportunity to remove the bloat.

Get over it!
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Please don't give me that nonsense. What poll research statistics have you used to draw a conclusion that hardly anyone uses a start menu anymore, complete utter rubbish.

Remove the bloat? How does removing a start menu remove a bloat - you've got to scroll across an entire screen to view what apps you have installed.... That's taking up more 'bloat' than a slim start menu.

I cannot see why on earth they will not give users the option to chose which to go for - so people like yourself want the whole tablet feel to a desktop can go all out on the tiles, and those who want to enjoy the improvements over win 7 but with the start menu can also enjoy the OS.

They are going to shoot themselves in the foot if they don't give an option. Like it or not metro IS a tablet feel. What a cheap, tacky way for MS to tackle the app market, forcing users to use it.
 
Gangster said:
Enlighten me please. This will be the first time I've ever heard of people not using a start menu anymore on desktops.
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They use it for essential stuff like shut down, using it for programs and other uses' is in massive decline, as all the data collected by microsoft indicates. With pinning to taskbar and using the taskbar lists in favor of using a start menu that pretty much doesn't resize to screen resolution
Read the windows8 build blogs.
 
You're a patronising one aren't you? Care to point it out, since I can't see anything in that article that mentions shutdown? Regardless, the delta between an 11% drop and zero usage is huge. It's completely fair to say the way people use the Start menu is changing, but "hardly used" is a ridiculous way to phrase it.
 
Caged said:
You're a patronising one aren't you? Care to point it out, since I can't see anything in that article that mentions shutdown?
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You can't see breakdown for things like picture 61% drop, documents 56%, Control panel 54%, Pinned items 51%, All programs 42%, Computer 40%, mFU 28% and finally total Start menu open which will include everything like shutdown and other options 11%.

And remember these are drops(from vista to win7) and not starting from 100%, even if starting from 100% your looking at ~50% drop for most things people talk about.

We would need a different set of stats to confirm, but as all the main ones are covered and have such drastic falls, but the opening start menu has fallen in line with the others, this strongly suggests the vast majority of start menu openings are for unlisted items like shutdown/search box.
 
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I still use the Start button and won't be using Windows 8 until I can use a Win 7 style start menu and login directly to the desktop view.

I've tried Win 8 on a VM, I quite like it, but won't be using it until I have those options. I expect someone will build a mod. I've tried Classic Shell, which is fine but it's an XP menu not Win 7.
 
I think businesses (by that I mean corporates, not your mum's flower shop) will always move slower than glaciers when it comes to how they do computing. This is unlikely to change any time soon, and I'm not sure it's a healthy attitude to aspire to.
 
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