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Asus 780i is total pantS?
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What good is a motherboard if it won't work with one of the most popular sets of performance RAM...
Thank goodness their graphics cards aren't as bad as their motherboards...
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Its time you stop reading that site as always correct, they talk crap at times.
That info is real old and we all thought it was same Chipsets.
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" First off, we have the two chipsets under the north bridge heatsink on every board – they are the "new" nForce 780i SLI SPP and the NF200 PCI-Express 2.0 switch chip (pictured above).
" The south bridge is again, very familiar, so much so that it even reads NF570 – yes this is the same chip that was introduced back with the AMD-based nForce 590 SLI some 18 months ago. It has been upgraded to A3 silicon and now includes "ESA support"
Anandtech are wrong once again, they aint very good at Nvidia stuff are they (/me thinks back to Purevideo on 6800Ultra).
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/12/17/first_look_nvidia_nforce_780i_sli/1
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Thats quite impressive that ASUS have managed to reduce the compatability of the Reference board by their own design. I'm running 4 x 1GB Ballistics @ 500FSB no problem at all on a XFX 780i
LOL! prat
you know "purchase price" isn't programmed onto the SPD?
I could sort of understand if you were getting at certain sorts of chips under the heatspreaders but seriously, ddr2 is CHEAP all of it.. the only expensive stuff is the overpriced stuff.
reaper/flex/dominator is often pricier because of the heatsinks, do you think these mobos are fashion conscious?
Personally I expect a high end mobo, especially with a MAINSTREAM chipset like the 680i or 780i to be able to work with bog standard PC2 4200 if I so wish, it should have MORE compatibility not less.
More to the point this stuff is produced to standards and if nvidia aren't capable of making a motherboard that can conform to them then they may as well give up.
The truth of the matter is they can, and do, and that you are talking total nonsense.
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Still I would not buy cheapo ram for a kit like above, seems common that some peeps not too well clued up buy top parts costing hundreds and skimp on Memory and PSU.
The Manu (Asus not Nvidia in this case as not Ref design) decides what they want to do, they add support by Bioses, they add a Table to their site that lists REC'D Memory.
You go and read that before you buy the Mobo and Memory, if anyone aint happy the Mobo cant use some cheap Memory they are free not to but that Mobo.
P.S The 650/680 are a joke we mostly know that, but dont forget that before that no other Chipset was used in the Enthusiasts Market more than Nvidia's esp the NF2-NF4 days, as AMD 64's were reigning then.
Just incase some peeps have very short memories (cheapo generic)
The Manu (Asus not Nvidia in this case as not Ref design) decides what they want to do, they add support by Bioses, they add a Table to their site that lists REC'D Memory.
You go and read that before you buy the Mobo and Memory, if anyone aint happy the Mobo cant use some cheap Memory they are free not to but that Mobo.
P.S The 650/680 are a joke we mostly know that, but dont forget that before that no other Chipset was used in the Enthusiasts Market more than Nvidia's esp the NF2-NF4 days, as AMD 64's were reigning then.
Just incase some peeps have very short memories (cheapo generic)
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650 and 680 are mostly a joke - but the Gigabyte N650i is suprissingly good once you get to grips with it - aslong as it doesn't go and die on me 
The reports I've heard of the 780i so far are not encouraging at all and I don't see it being any different to the 680i and the 750i seems to be creaping up and up in price and its not even generally available yet...
The reports I've heard of the 780i so far are not encouraging at all and I don't see it being any different to the 680i and the 750i seems to be creaping up and up in price and its not even generally available yet...
Completly agree, there is no point in buying rip off ram when cheaper ram would normally be pretty much unnoticable in performance, you should not let the a lazy mobo manufacturer make u force buying some overpriced kit.
Spending any more than 40 quid on a 2gb kit is a complete waste of money, unless you need it for your proffession or are a hardcore enthousiast that loves throwing money at pc's, 40 quid for a 2gb kit is more than enough...
Use the money on wiser things instead you actually really need...
Some people: : OOOOOHHH, that ram is 40 quid, it must be carp : rolleyes:.
Some of that ram that costs 40 quid now used to cost 150 quid a while ago... The product hasn't changed, the economy just affected the worth of it...
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Not really, you get what you pay for most times, the Chips may be far better (Micron) so more expensive.
Just because DDR2 is at an all time low dont be fooled into price.
You would not be getting 2GB of any good Memory for £40 ever since the SDRAM days till recently.
It dont mean all expensive Memory is good but to buy parts at very high end of scale and buy cheap non branded Memory is just plain and simply stupid, keep that for peeps who want to upgrade their PC bought from the Purple Shirt Bridgade.
Just because DDR2 is at an all time low dont be fooled into price.
You would not be getting 2GB of any good Memory for £40 ever since the SDRAM days till recently.
It dont mean all expensive Memory is good but to buy parts at very high end of scale and buy cheap non branded Memory is just plain and simply stupid, keep that for peeps who want to upgrade their PC bought from the Purple Shirt Bridgade.
It is the same chipset!! I am not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing.
OK So I've read the bit-tech.net preview and it reads the same as the anandtech one. It's the 680 chipset but with a new chip bolstered on that adds PCI-E 2.0 support. It's not native and all it does is add additional power requirements.
Judging from the heatsinks used and the tone of the author it also suggests they even haven't die shrinked the chipset as it runs hot.
nVidia is simply getting the most money from it's current designs. We should be seeing a brand new chipset (which we will probably see in Q2 anyway.. nVidia is launching hybrid SLI nForce 7 mobos) and new GPUs (whatever happened to dual-core GPUs?) instead of just slapping two 8800s on a single board.
It's all down to lack of competition from AMD. It's an improvement on NF6 yes, but it's only minor.
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Right... What advantage does this give me ingame / windows ?
I've recently sold 4 pc's with 2gb Kingson kits ddr667 for 30 € each, they work fine at speced speed. They ARE good imo: They work, they work at speced speeds, They have lifetime warranty. It's all that counts. Then it happens they saved my costs...
I'm not fooled by price, my geil seems fine atm.
Uhm, so? Your point? Buy ram when cheap? (offcourse my statement about not paying more than 40 is in regards to current ram prices)
As said before, Geil, Corsair, OCZ, Cruciall aren't bad brands, yet there are many 2gb kits from them for less than 40 quid (look further than ocuk...), 40 quid is a lot as it is, 40 is the max you should ever spend on a 2gb kit of ram. ( again to prevent misunderstanding, with the current prices.)
Bad brands that are really cheap are brands such as PQI, Hynix, Nanya, Elixir, etc... Even though they also work fine most of the time, on pretty much all boards. And guess what, they do the job too.
That an asus board can't take corsair ram is something asus should be ashamed of if it's true.
Also you don't always get what you pay for, eg. with cars, for 2k you can get a very reliable japanese workhorse, for double that there are other rubbish cars that are far worse and would probably be a lot less reliable, performing, or be smaller.
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arguing...a great way to spend the weekend
I agree with a most of what has been said on both sides, whilst I wouldn't recommend spending less than 5% of your entire budget on RAM the only problems you should experience would be poor performance.
There are some issues with this board as with most others during the first few weeks, almost all related to RAM it seems, but nobody can accuse Asus of sitting back and doing nothing.
I don't think that "downgrading" to a 680i would be the best choice in the long run, it may fix your obvious issue but as many 680i users will testify, myself included, the 680i was riddled with less obvious issues that just become annoying after a while.
I have been very impressed with the P5N-T Deluxe since its release and whilst it still cannot compete with the current Intel chipsets for pure speed and compatability it is a great choice for those who want SLI, far surpassing the older 680i board for stability.
I agree with a most of what has been said on both sides, whilst I wouldn't recommend spending less than 5% of your entire budget on RAM the only problems you should experience would be poor performance.
There are some issues with this board as with most others during the first few weeks, almost all related to RAM it seems, but nobody can accuse Asus of sitting back and doing nothing.
I don't think that "downgrading" to a 680i would be the best choice in the long run, it may fix your obvious issue but as many 680i users will testify, myself included, the 680i was riddled with less obvious issues that just become annoying after a while.
I have been very impressed with the P5N-T Deluxe since its release and whilst it still cannot compete with the current Intel chipsets for pure speed and compatability it is a great choice for those who want SLI, far surpassing the older 680i board for stability.
The point I'm making is that Corsair XMS2 is not crap RAM.
RAM price is relative to the market...it's flooded with DDR 2 ALL of it is cheap. My 4gb was £200 not so long ago, then it went to £90.
I can't be bothered going on, but I think he's going the 680i route. It isn't slow (at all) and just because it's the older chipset does NOT mean it is bad. He can't afford this downtime so he needs a stable chipset and cannot be sending boards back and forth.
RAM price is relative to the market...it's flooded with DDR 2 ALL of it is cheap. My 4gb was £200 not so long ago, then it went to £90.
I can't be bothered going on, but I think he's going the 680i route. It isn't slow (at all) and just because it's the older chipset does NOT mean it is bad. He can't afford this downtime so he needs a stable chipset and cannot be sending boards back and forth.
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Can you not read or something ?
How do I agree with thet post Im answering.
The review clearly shows in writing and photos its a NEW NB, a NEWER REVISION of the SAME old SB from the 500 series and 600 series, and a NEW PCI-E Bridge Chipset.
I advise you read more recent reviews, not the ones we all did months ago.
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@ snowdog, None of your post disecting and quoting mines makes any sence.
1st of I have 4 GiG of XMS Corsair (still cant get it for £40 per 2GB), I run it at 1000mhz, it does make a difference in games for me.
May not make a difference for you playing "Purple Place", you seem to forget most here are enthusiasts.
I personally dont care what you buy or run, the most expensive Memory aint always the best, nor is the cheapist no brand crap.
What would you have done not so long go before prices were at this all time low ?.
1st of I have 4 GiG of XMS Corsair (still cant get it for £40 per 2GB), I run it at 1000mhz, it does make a difference in games for me.
May not make a difference for you playing "Purple Place", you seem to forget most here are enthusiasts.
I personally dont care what you buy or run, the most expensive Memory aint always the best, nor is the cheapist no brand crap.
What would you have done not so long go before prices were at this all time low ?.
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