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asus confirms coffeelake could have worked in z270

bit-tech: Can you go into more technical detail about why the new CPUs are not backwards-compatible with Z270 motherboards?

Andrew: Actually, it depends on Intel’s decision.

bit-tech: So it’s not a physical limitation? Intel said it was to do with power delivery.

Andrew: Not really. It [the power delivery] makes a little bit of difference, but not much.

bit-tech: So what are they referring to – the 20 or so unused pins from before?

Andrew: Yes.

bit-tech: So if you wanted and Intel let you, you could make Z270 compatible?

Andrew: Yes, but you also require an upgrade from the ME [Management Engine] and a BIOS update. Intel somehow has locked the compatibility.

bit-tech: The 20 previously unused pins that you mentioned, what are they now used for?

Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.
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Seriously,Intel?? If you had allowed Z270 motherboards to take Coffeelake you would have had this in the bag.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Seriously,Intel?? If you had allowed Z270 motherboards to take Coffeelake you would have had this in the bag.
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They couldn't afford to do it, as they haven't/are not releasing the lower end boards until Q1 '18, I have this distinct feeling you'll all of a sudden find that older CPU's start working in the newer boards once they are released. This will also allow the stock reduction of the older board ranges, so not peeing off manufacturers and vendors alike.
 
Journey said:
They couldn't afford to do it, as they haven't/are not releasing the lower end boards until Q1 '18, I have this distinct feeling you'll all of a sudden find that older CPU's start working in the newer boards once they are released. This will also allow the stock reduction of the older board ranges, so not peeing off manufacturers and vendors alike.
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The issue is some of the higher B250 boards would probably have worked too. If anything the motherboard OEMs probably have tons of the older 100 and 200 series boards still in the retail channels and nobody will really want to jump onto them now,unless EOL pricing is done,which means someone needs to pick up the cost.

Plus we don't even have any of the lower end SKUs like Pentiums,etc on socket 1151 V3 too.

I means its even stupider,when existing 200 series customers could have upgraded to a Coffee Lake CPU even if they had a G4560 in their system. Even one of my mates who has a Core i7 6700 would have probably upgraded their CPU if Coffee Lake worked in his motherboard,but he just gave up on the idea once he heard he needed to ditch it. I suspect he is not alone in that thought.

But now they have done this,together with the low volume of certain SKUs,means essentially the large volume desktop sales will be from early next year,and within the same time period or a bit later AMD apparently will be refreshing Ryzen too. They could have easily pre-empted all of this by not artificially blocking older motherboards from taking Coffee Lake and also alienating their older customers too.
 
Am I right in saying that AMD have promised to maintain socket compatibility for the next few years at least? So Ryzen 3 (hypothetical example) will work with a motherboard released for Ryzen?
 
Bluecube said:
Am I right in saying that AMD have promised to maintain socket compatibility for the next few years at least? So Ryzen 3 (hypothetical example) will work with a motherboard released for Ryzen?
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Latest noise from Asus is that the next AGESA will have support for Ryzen+ based CPUs being released in 1H 2018(rumours say Q1 2018).
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
The issue is some of the higher B250 boards would probably have worked too. If anything the motherboard OEMs probably have tons of the older 100 and 200 series boards still in the retail channels and nobody will really want to jump onto them now,unless EOL pricing is done,which means someone needs to pick up the cost.

Plus we don't even have any of the lower end SKUs like Pentiums,etc on socket 1151 V3 too.

I means its even stupider,when existing 200 series customers could have upgraded to a Coffee Lake CPU even if they had a G4560 in their system. Even one of my mates who has a Core i7 6700 would have probably upgraded their CPU if Coffee Lake worked in his motherboard,but he just gave up on the idea once he heard he needed to ditch it. I suspect he is not alone in that thought.

But now they have done this,together with the low volume of certain SKUs,means essentially the large volume desktop sales will be from early next year,and within the same time period or a bit later AMD apparently will be refreshing Ryzen too. They could have easily pre-empted all of this by not artificially blocking older motherboards from taking Coffee Lake and also alienating their older customers too.
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this was my thinking, if it would have worked i would have gone from 6700k to 8700k, but im ditching that idea now a new board is required.
 
It was always obvious that this was the case, despite some of the rabid Intel fanboys claiming there were complex technical reasons why it simply couldn't have worked. Nice to have official confirmation that it was a load of old cobblers. :p
 
Not surprised, I get there may be marketing reasons for this but its kinda shafting everyone else for cash reasons and little else.

This is why the market needs to support AMD so we have viable competition; don't get me wrong they also have bad business at times, but Intel are legendary for it. If we have competition, the consumer will do better!

I'll buy either, and have done before, my next system I'd very much like to be AMD IF they continue to make improvements and offer a compelling proposition. Zen+ and Zen 2 sound like they are good tracks but obviously we need to see results.
 
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Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.

This interests me, maybe the 8cores can come to the z370 afterall.
 
gavinh87 said:
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Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.

This interests me, maybe the 8cores can come to the z370 afterall.
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I would be surprised if this is the case,otherwise there would be no Z390 next year which is meant to be the chipset for the 10NM 8 cores.

Even if it were the case,its still a crap move to block existing Z270 owners from changing over to a Coffee Lake CPU!
 
gavinh87 said:
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Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.

This interests me, maybe the 8cores can come to the z370 afterall.
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imo you wont see an 8core z370, not unless they are pushed to bring one out. the only reason we now have a 6 core is because they really didnt have a choice.
 
henson0115 said:
indeed, why bother with 8 when the 6 is more than capable and people are buying it. i think now amd are back in the game we may see less stagnation though.
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For Main stream as person that had 6 cores and now have 8. To be honest not much difference going from 6 to 8 ok renders faster but how many people here are rendering SO MUCH that it would matter ??

If i had option would swap my ryzen for 8700k Today :D
 
Really it was always going to be software limitation and not hardware - a lot of the Z series motherboards are way over engineered anyway so to think they couldn’t handle a more powerful processor when people perform silly overclocks on them anyway is daft

Such a shame
 
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