Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by BowdonUK, Jun 5, 2019.
21st century role model right there.
You read the bit where I said I offered some advice to reaffirm her self belief and that she can always talk to an adult if it happens again? And how I didn't actually suggest she hit the girl?
I was just saying that I didn't like my daughter being bullied (this isn't the first time she's done this). If you've ever had your little girl approach you with tears in her eyes feeling confused and upset because of someone else bullying her through no fault of her own, and you don't get a little bit frustrated then fair play to you.
Self-defense is an important trait to instill into younglings, best not ruin their life by making them submissive.
The comprehension part was not directed to anyone but abyss.
It has every basis in reality, girl's rooms are decorated in pink, they're toys are pink. In our culture the colour pink is seen as a girl's colour and for a 3 year old when his older sister say's "this is my cup because it is pink", then he will know from then on that it is a girl's (feminine is the correct word) colour. As he get's older he will know that it doesn't really matter and he can have pink things too if he wants.
We're not living in ancient rome are we, nor do we live in scotland or parts of india where they wear something similar to a skirt.
The whole reason why I mentioned "feminine colour" was because there IS a distinction between sexes whether modern day homosexuals/transsexuals like it or not. This colour perception is a minor part of that difference which is not really important but just demonstrates the differences in sex.
We were never taught about "two dads" or "boys becoming girls" in nursery or primary school. The only thing we were taught was sex education in primary school. If there is a issue of bullying with regards to pupils who have homosexual parents then the teacher should directly confront the bully's parents this will actually solve the problem not confuse kids.
I do understand that it is designed to tackle discrimination against homosexuals which itself is a benign idea, but the effect along with the teaching "boys can be girls" is confusing young children.
Maybe they should be confused, the whole point in education (ideally) was to establish a foundation of getting past the confusion with some help, not to force values into them, if they remain confused then it was at least worth the try.
People always moan about how its just a bunch of tests that are ultimately meaningless, yet when some mildly confrontational arguments get put to them its suddenly bad?
Introduce it by all means to secondary school children. But to primary school children, for many it conflicts with what they know to be normal and is not healthy for young minds. Education is to teach children about the world, to give them knowledge about things and skills to use in the real world once they leave school.
Surely it could be too late by then before potential bigotry is instilled.
Bigotry is limited to small sections of people usually it is not wide spread. As I said kids who are abused by other kids due to homosexual parents should be told by they're teachers and parent's its not right to abuse kids due to what they're parents do.
A lot of the problem is this: https://www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/
Propaganda designed by transexuals to make more people transexuals, it's like religion.
Bigotry is literally any intolerant attitude, so a kid bullying another kid because his parents happen to be two women, two men or single parents, is bigotry, that isn't a small section of society either.
It needs eradicated early, and consistently, but austerity and poverty create a huge barrier to getting through to kids at the moment, so i'm not sure it would really matter until we stabilize people's situations.
I know what it is...
It is not common, should be eradicated but not by pushing pro trans ********.
We did sex education in year 5. That seemed about the right age tbh.
Amazingly, a 4 year old has a pretty narrow view of the world, which tends to extend as far as their immediate family unit. When they start mixing with other kids, they find that other family units exist, and they can find that strange. Talking about it gives them the chance to learn that not all families are exactly the same as the one they grew up in.
Other family units in my kids' school involved 2 dads with an adopted child, a few single mums (including a domestic abuse victim and a widow), 1 single dad (widower) and several blended families. It's not brainwashing to talk about things that already exist within the school. SRE doesn't teach kids "you should have 2 dads" - it teaches kids "some people have 2 dads". If a child is confused and insecure by that, I would suggest that's on the parent.
It's also worth noting that a lot of the conversations don't just "come up" - they're forced on kids. Mother's day could have been a really awkward time for the widower dad, but it had already been discussed among the class, so his daughter wasn't the odd one out - she made him a really sweet "Daddy, you're the best mummy" card.
It's not a whole lesson weekly, mainly because reception age kids don't have a rigid lesson structure. It's taught little and often. You're also wildly over-estimating what reception age children are taught - for example, if a 4 year old tells you they did history at school today, it probably means they coloured in a picture of a Roman soldier.
If I tell you I'm wearing a pink Spiderman t-shirt with a blue hoodie, does your mind explode?
Because you feel that is the case?
Sure they should know that all those things are normal, the longer they don't, the harder it will be for them to 'open their minds' so to speak.
Also, this has nothing to do with transgender propoganda, that's an entirely different kettle of mermaids.
It's been a long time since I've been to school and all the kids in the family are grown up now so I'm out of the loop, so I'll concede to yours and others experiences.
I was more just shocked at the age mentioned and sex education was mentioned. But I can see this might have been purposely said to shock and give a wrong impression.
I'm all for kids learning about relationships. I would just want them to know themselves first.
I think it as to be a very fine balance in how things are taught. That over emphasis isn't put on people in non-traditional relationships or genders i.e. like those are special. I can understand if someone doesn't have a mummy or daddy, or some other family setup, that they shouldnt be left out or made to feel bad about it. But I think it is a very careful balance in inclusivity, equality, and elevating those relationships to be higher than normal i.e. special. Becuase in the long run if the balance isn't right then there is going to be a lot of confused kids.
I'm a disabled person and if I was the only one in the class and it was sports day I wouldnt want the teacher to be explaining to the class all my background and why I'm not able to run. I wouldn't want the other kids feeling sorry for me, or even feeling guilty that they can run. That is my worry.
I imagine you don't really need to scream out "Timmy can't walk" every time you do PE, once is likely enough to reinforce what is obvious with some authority, i mean you're literally growing up in the same class for years.
Thumbs up to this very good explanation.
I promise you, aside from hysterical Daily Mail headlines of "4 YEARS OLD TAUGHT TO BE TRANS", that doesn't happen. They were literally just taught that different families look different, but they're all families. Don't forget, to a 4 year old who's only ever known having one parent, a 2 parent family is weird - it's all about perspective. Nothing is presented as "special" or "better".
But if at 4 the other kids have been taught that some people are disabled, and what that means, you'll find they're much more accepting - they also don't feel guilty or sorry, because it's not presented that they should.
There was a boy who used an electric wheelchair in the year below my younger daughter - none of the kids ever treated him like it was weird because of SRE. He still played football on the playground (he was slow, but good - you try tackling a wheelchair ) - he was the egg and spoon race champion at sports day for 6 years running, but got his ass kicked on the relay. He was never pandered to, but never excluded, and none of the other kids gave a monkeys about the disability - they just accepted him for who he was.
That is good to know. I know when I moved to 'normal' education when I went to college it was good just to feel like one of the group.
I guess the issue on sex education shows how it can be distorted by politicians pushing an agenda. I wonder how much information the schools publish to counter things like this? It would be good to have a resource thats easily accessable so when people hear things on the radio,tv or newspapers they can go to a source and get the real answer.
This thread as been informative!
What's not on topic about calling you out on 4 year olds and gender reassignment? What's that got to do with sex and relationship education? Absolutely nothing but it's the usual tripe wheeled out by people who pull their little Timmy or Mohammed out of class because the evil liberal primary school teachers will turn them gay
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