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This is one of a crop of recent games that aim to recreate the spirit of Wasteland and Fallout (also Wasteland 2 and 3, Underrail, Encased)

Oh yeah its better than Wasteland 3 anyway, which is the only one of the above I played.

That game really wasnt great, I really didnt get the completely off scale, then also trying to make it somewhat realist world map? I mean, make it in game, or make it a map, not try to do a bit of both? Scripted enemies = bad. Game breaking bug stopped me completing a quest. Bad art work. Predictable and boring story.

I got to the end before the last fight and literally just couldnt be arsed to finish it.

But, why cant they make games better?

The original fallout games were over 20 years ago, the original X:Com UFO was something like 1993, thats heading towards 30 years! yet the modern reincarnations are all sub par.....
 
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Ah, so you were lvl 27 after visiting Dead City? I must have misread, sorry. That might not be sooo far off what I might get to, especially with fights that large to come. [..]

I think there has been some confusion over bunkers. I thought you were referring to the endgame bunker, the main bunker. Which is the one I did last, after visiting Dead City. IIRC, you have to do something in Dead City before doing the final bunker. Maybe not - my memory isn't clear on that.

Now that you've done the bunker you were referring to, has the game ended, roll credits? Did you find the people you'd been sent to find, your main mission, and encounter the general who led that party? Do you know exactly what the Mycellium Society does and what its plans are and why? If not, it's not the endgame bunker.

Not to be a Negative Nancy, but isn't this game just Fallout except it's worse? That was at least the feeling I got when playing it. I only played it for an hour or so tho before I meh'd out. How is this better than Fallout? I would like to like this game, but so far I just can't, unfortunately.

It's the other way around for me. I think Atom RPG is the best game I've played in years. I meh'd out of Fallout. I'd like to like it, but I didn't. I liked Fallout 3, Fallout NV and Fallout 4. I even somewhat liked some aspects of Fallout 76 (great gameworld, bad game). But I didn't like Fallout 1 and I didn't bother with Fallout 2. Having played Atom RPG (then Wasteland 2 and Wasteland 3 and several other turn-based isometric games) I have pencilled in giving Fallout 1 another go. Maybe with a higher res mod so it doesn't look awful on my monitor.

As @BUDFORCE said, each to their own. Atom RPG and Fallout aren't the same game, so saying one is just the other except it's worse is wrong. It's like saying that coffee is just tea except it's worse. Or vice versa.
 
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Oh yeah its better than Wasteland 3 anyway, which is the only one of the above I played.

That game really wasnt great, I really didnt get the completely off scale, then also trying to make it somewhat realist world map? I mean, make it in game, or make it a map, not try to do a bit of both? Scripted enemies = bad. Game breaking bug stopped me completing a quest. Bad art work. Predictable and boring story.

I got to the end before the last fight and literally just couldnt be arsed to finish it.

I think Wasteland 2 is a fair bit better than Wasteland 3, but probably not by enough to make it appealing to you given your experience of Wasteland 3. Maybe worth a go if you spot it on sale for £5.

But, why cant they make games better?

The original fallout games were over 20 years ago, the original X:Com UFO was something like 1993, thats heading towards 30 years! yet the modern reincarnations are all sub par.....

How much of that is the games and how much is us being older? There's definitely a trend for people to perceive the entertainment of their youth to be better than the entertainment of today. Games, music, TV, every form of entertainment. Many other things, too.
 
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I think there has been some confusion over bunkers. I thought you were referring to the endgame bunker, the main bunker. Which is the one I did last, after visiting Dead City. IIRC, you have to do something in Dead City before doing the final bunker. Maybe not - my memory isn't clear on that.

Now that you've done the bunker you were referring to, has the game ended, roll credits? Did you find the people you'd been sent to find, your main mission, and encounter the general who led that party? Do you know exactly what the Mycellium Society does and what its plans are and why? If not, it's not the endgame bunker.

Yeah, I see now. It was totally my misreading as I had been reading posts about the first bunker you're sent to just before reading your post and mashed the two instances together to come away with the idea you were level 27 at B317! :o


I also wonder how much of the reverence for the original Fallout games is rose-tinted nostalgia, but... I did play Fallout 2 not that long ago and it still stood out as excellent, and imho I would say it has more depth, better writing, better world-crafting and more feeling of freedom than Atom. Fallout 1 I couldn't get on with, but I missed it first time round and the whole set-up was just too painful for my sensibilties that are now used to modern game interfaces and mechanics.
 
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[..] I also wonder how much of the reverence for the original Fallout games is rose-tinted nostalgia, but... I did play Fallout 2 not that long ago and it still stood out as excellent, and imho I would say it has more depth, better writing, better world-crafting and more feeling of freedom than Atom. Fallout 1 I couldn't get on with, but I missed it first time round and the whole set-up was just too painful for my sensibilties that are now used to modern game interfaces and mechanics.

I was looking for a hi res mod for Fallout 1 and found another mod which has Fallout 1 redone in the Fallout 2 engine. That might be a good approach. I'm currently banging my head on Darkest Dungeon, but if I ever finish that I'll maybe give Fallout 1 and 2 another go. I decided to play Darkest Dungeon on darkest difficulty. It's dark and difficult :)
 
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I was looking for a hi res mod for Fallout 1 and found another mod which has Fallout 1 redone in the Fallout 2 engine. That might be a good approach. I'm currently banging my head on Darkest Dungeon, but if I ever finish that I'll maybe give Fallout 1 and 2 another go. I decided to play Darkest Dungeon on darkest difficulty. It's dark and difficult :)

Yeah, I liked Darkest Dungeon, but it got seriously frustrating at some point and I still have my old save to go back to when I can face it :)

On the subject of Atom:
Did you kill Leopold and the other soldiers before the mycellium-possessed guy at the end of the Mountain Pass bunker? For RP reasons I felt like I should kill them rather than let them take this creepy mind-controling fungus into the area's biggest city. But - I tried a few times and couldn't do it without one or two of my companions dying.

Also, I think I misssed the VER rifle on this level by the looks of it. I wonder if I should reload a save and get it. Presumably it's in the one safe I couldn't open...
 
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So, very much enjoying Trudograd as well.

I think going straight from the original game to this one feels better than it would starting it again as a new game. The start of the game does indeed lack the original's sense of desperation (though having said that it was around 15 hours in the city before I finally got hold of an automatic weapon...), but moving from one to the other gives a feeling of continuation so I didn't really miss it. Also, whilst I prefered the wasteland, the city makes a nice change of scenerey having spent around 60 hours trudging around the wastes.

I raised speechcraft and personality for this one on character import and level-up, and it is amazing how many situations you can resolve peacefully. I might be wrong, but I think I could have avoided every battle I've fought if I really wanted to with some juggling of my stats with food and items.

A really good post-apocalytpic gameathon playing them both back-to-back.
 
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Yeah, I liked Darkest Dungeon, but it got seriously frustrating at some point and I still have my old save to go back to when I can face it :)

I finished it in the end. ~250 game weeks, maybe 300. I'm quite stubborn when it comes to games :)

On the subject of Atom:
Did you kill Leopold and the other soldiers before the mycellium-possessed guy at the end of the Mountain Pass bunker? For RP reasons I felt like I should kill them rather than let them take this creepy mind-controling fungus into the area's biggest city. But - I tried a few times and couldn't do it without one or two of my companions dying.

Also, I think I misssed the VER rifle on this level by the looks of it. I wonder if I should reload a save and get it. Presumably it's in the one safe I couldn't open...

I can't remember the answer to either of those questions.

So, very much enjoying Trudograd as well.

I think going straight from the original game to this one feels better than it would starting it again as a new game. The start of the game does indeed lack the original's sense of desperation (though having said that it was around 15 hours in the city before I finally got hold of an automatic weapon...), but moving from one to the other gives a feeling of continuation so I didn't really miss it. Also, whilst I prefered the wasteland, the city makes a nice change of scenerey having spent around 60 hours trudging around the wastes.

I raised speechcraft and personality for this one on character import and level-up, and it is amazing how many situations you can resolve peacefully. I might be wrong, but I think I could have avoided every battle I've fought if I really wanted to with some juggling of my stats with food and items.

A really good post-apocalytpic gameathon playing them both back-to-back.

Do you know of any other games anything like them? I may well have missed some. Either that or more survival-orientated post-apocalypse games like Dead State (I played the reanimated version). Not 3rd person platform games like Dying Light. I was rather disappointed by that - it looked like something I'd like but I didn't know it was a 3rd person platform game. There's little or no mention of that.
 
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I finished it in the end. ~250 game weeks, maybe 300. I'm quite stubborn when it comes to games :)

Wow, I am not sure I actually have that staying power!


I can't remember the answer to either of those questions.

I did manage to kill them in the end after a couple of reloads. Engaging when my companions were out of the initial firing line kept them alive long enough for us to finish off the enemies.

It didn't seem to make any difference to anything in the end, though, which was a little bit disappointing.

And I did find the rifle too. I didn't realise you could lockpick safes if you didn't have the combination (just needed to raise my lockpick skill with the bunck of keys).

Do you know of any other games anything like them? I may well have missed some. Either that or more survival-orientated post-apocalypse games like Dead State (I played the reanimated version). Not 3rd person platform games like Dying Light. I was rather disappointed by that - it looked like something I'd like but I didn't know it was a 3rd person platform game. There's little or no mention of that.

Only a few come to mind. State of Decay (the first one, not the second) I really liked as a post-zombie apocalypse survival game. It's not turn-based like Atom, but it's not overly actiony either (you need to time some dodges and run from danger at times, but it's not like an aRPG in most ways), and there's character building, resource hunting, managing base and companions. It also feels quite desolate and hopeless for a while.

Survivalist I didn't get on with, but it could just have been the mood I was in when I played it. It seems to have the same kind of set up, but I just disliked the character movement and let it fall by the wayside quite early on. I get the feeling there is more to it than I discovered in my short time with it and I will try to remember to give it another go one day.

Encased I liked a fair bit. It's like Atom in that it takes inspiration from Fallout, has turn-based combat with two companions if you want to take them. It's got a bit more polish to its UI that the first Atom, but also feels lighter (perhaps more lightweight) and isn't particularly well balanced. I enjoyed it, but I much prefer Atom.

I will have to check out Dead State. It looks really good, but I have been put off by the reports of frequent crashes on Win10.
 
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