These are my first supposed audiophile grade headphones so can't comment, but you could wait for Hyper X to bring out the cloud orbit not that they'll be any cheaper, the S version is the same as these I think. The upcoming new software and firmware update adds key binds to head movement, so I'm gonna bind 'lean' in PUBG to my headset. They are better for gaming than they are if you currently have something half decent for music. Though the soundstage from 3D, for music, I think is awesome. I find them very comfortable, They go bigger too, than my massive bonce. Only answer for you really, is to hear a pair. If you happen to be near Exeter then you can try mine.