Austria: Judge Rules That Yodeling Offends Muslims

Cosimo · 17 Dec 2010 at 16:45

Phog said:
I've since started listening to some yodelling on youtube. It makes me smile constantly. It's incredible! That'd be the most amusing way to wake up in the morning.

Listening to cow bells is also very therapeutic.

Dolph · 17 Dec 2010 at 16:58

Patient Keeper said:
So if his neighbours were Austrian, do you think they would be just as likely to start complaining?

People complain about annoying neighbours all the time, both in Austria and in the UK, and the law takes action to restrict unreasonable behaviour on a regular basis as well...

Patient Keeper · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:08

Dolph said:
People complain about annoying neighbours all the time, both in Austria and in the UK, and the law takes action to restrict unreasonable behaviour on a regular basis as well...

So what is the answer to my question?

Do YOU think, just on a probability level, that an Austrian will be more tolerant of yodelling than a Muslim?

Dolph · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:19

Patient Keeper said:
So what is the answer to my question?

Do YOU think, just on a probability level, that an Austrian will be more tolerant of yodelling than a Muslim?

The fact that you've repeated the loaded question and demanded a closed answer confirms you're just trying to use a fallacy to mislead.

The issue of it being yodelling is utterly irrelevant to the problem of an individual setting out to disrupt their neighbour. Another individual might be more tolerant of yodelling, but find the theme from titanic very annoying when they are trying to watch coronation street.

Incidentally, have you stopped beating your wife?

Vonhelmet · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:28

Patient Keeper said:
So what is the answer to my question?

Do YOU think, just on a probability level, that an Austrian will be more tolerant of yodelling than a Muslim?

That's utterly irrelevant. The question is whether the Muslim found the yodelling annoying, and they are perfectly within their rights to do so.

Besides, as a counterexample, I enjoy sex as much as the next man, but that doesn't mean I want to listen to my neighbours doing it noisily at 4 in the morning.

Patient Keeper · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:40

Dolph said:
The fact that you've repeated the loaded question and demanded a closed answer confirms you're just trying to use a fallacy to mislead.

The issue of it being yodelling is utterly irrelevant to the problem of an individual setting out to disrupt their neighbour. Another individual might be more tolerant of yodelling, but find the theme from titanic very annoying when they are trying to watch coronation street.

Incidentally, have you stopped beating your wife?

Or the fact that it is constantly avoided might prove something?

I'd say it is a simple example like this that adds weight to the mounting evidence that multiculturalism does not work. You know for a fact that an Austrian would be more likely to be tolerant of a central european tradition than a Muslim.

Dolph · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:53

Patient Keeper said:
Or the fact that it is constantly avoided might prove something?

Not really, that's why it's a fallacy. I noticed you didn't answer my question. Presumably that means you are still beating your wife?

I'd say it is a simple example like this that adds weight to the mounting evidence that multiculturalism does not work. You know for a fact that an Austrian would be more likely to be tolerant of a central european tradition than a Muslim.

But the tradition, and indeed the whole muslim issue, is irrelevant to the actual problem, which is a man setting out to annoy and disrupt his neighbour.

The problem isn't multiculturalism, it's inconsiderate neighbours, we have them in the UK, like this bloke.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11211538

This is not a problem of multiculturalism. The fact that you keep suggesting it is shows far more about your prejudices than about the matter under discussion.

Patient Keeper · 17 Dec 2010 at 17:58

Dolph said:
Not really, that's why it's a fallacy. I noticed you didn't answer my question. Presumably that means you are still beating your wife?

But the tradition, and indeed the whole muslim issue, is irrelevant to the actual problem, which is a man setting out to annoy and disrupt his neighbour.

The problem isn't multiculturalism, it's inconsiderate neighbours, we have them in the UK, like this bloke.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-11211538

This is not a problem of multiculturalism. The fact that you keep suggesting it is shows far more about your prejudices than about the matter under discussion.

I didn't answer it because I don't have a wife, also what relevance does that have?

The man was fined for causing offense to his muslim neighbours, it isn't the same as being inconsiderate.

Dolph · 17 Dec 2010 at 18:06

Patient Keeper said:
I didn't answer it because I don't have a wife, also what relevance does that have?

It's the same fallacy you are insisting is a valid line of questioning

The man was fined for causing offense to his muslim neighbours, it isn't the same as being inconsiderate.

Actually, it pretty much is, but never let reality intrude on the hatefest.

Patient Keeper · 17 Dec 2010 at 18:11

How is a being inconsiderate by not cutting your trees causing offense?