Bad CBT Experience - looking for some advice

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So today I did my CBT and passed. Apologies in advance for the length of the following post, but I was close to jacking it all in when I first got back and need to get this off my chest.

I have no idea how I passed as the whole thing seemed to be a disaster in my eyes.
There were two of us and one instructor. We did 3 hours yard training before going out onto the road for two. The other guy who couldnt drive or ride seemed to take to it like a duck to water. I struggled with low speed manouvres because I couldn't get my head around riding the clutch, maintaing the revs and feathering the rear brake. I have driven for 20 years without accident and grew up with a push bike day in day out, but the co-ordinating myself wasnt coming as easily as it did for the other guy.

This is when the intstructor seemed to start with the snide comments, buddying up with the star pupil who was 20 years my junior,and generally being a bit of a git.

I should have seen this as a sign of things to come, so decided to persevere and after lunch we were out on the road. We left the yard and made our first right turn. I was still not 100% in doing this in a controlled fashion, but with a little correction made the turn and carried on. From this point onwards, it seemed to go downhill. At the next right turn, I was running a little fast entering the turn, and as I had done in the yard instinctively grabbed at the front brake and hit the deck. After ensuring I wasnt injured, the instructor was on me like a rabid dog f-ing and jeffing about why am I grabbing the front brake.

So off we go again and again I made the same error making a right turn and again he unleashed another verbal burst. By this point I was all ready to leave the bike and him, but after a quick breather I tried again and things started to improve a bit.

At this point we are off into a housing estate and going around in circles and I am making progress, or at least I thought I was. I was more controlled and doing all my checks correctly and he was actually praising me. Then completely out of the blue a voice in my ear says 'I cant believe you can drive a car'

By this point I am more or less totally deflated as we head back to the yard. During our return drive we were required to join a dual carriageway and give it some welly. I had no problem at all with this, and was both safe and relaxed. Unfortunately thats where it ended, on the leaving the dual carriageway I dropped too many gears on the slip road, there was no indicator on the bike and the rev counter didnt work. As soon as I started to let the clutch out the rear wheel locked. I managed to stop safely all be it a little shaken, but the instructor went into meltdown telling me I'd 'sealed my fate' amongst other things.

Back at the yard I lose my rag with him, because he was still harping on about the front brake issue and how that had caused me to lock the back wheel which didnt make any sense to me. I explained what had actually happened and suggested if he hadnt been verbally bashing me when it happened I may have stood some chance of recovering instead of bringing the bike to a stop in panic.

Another small torrent of abuse followed and I walked away back to my car to calm down.
10 mins later he comes over and apologises for his reaction and tells me I have passed.
I told him clearly that if I wasnt up to the required standard (and I didnt think I was) that he shouldnt issue a pass, but he did regardless.

So now I am in a position where I have completed the CBT, but dont have enough confidence in my low speed manouvres to feel comfortable on the road.

I have no doubt I need more practice in general control, but is the standard of 'training' I have received today the norm?

Can I do the CBT again with a different instructor who has some concept of teaching?

Any advice would be gratefully received?
 
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I have (perhaps getting ahead of myself) already picked up a cb125f, so I have the wherewithal to get out and practice.

I think if the instructor had reigned in his emotions a bit,and not bashed me over an open to all comms system, I would have been able to get on top of it. The other thing that may not have helped was I got lumped with the older bike which was covered in bird droppings for one, and having thought about it now, seemed to have a huge amount of travel in the clutch before biting. (Yeah yeah...a bad workman etc.... ;))

I have looked around tonight for options for just general lessons but I haven't turned anything up as yet, as they don't seem to mention such things, so I need to ring around.The instructor today said he was self employed and works out of a few other local schools when they are short handed,so they are off the list.

I am confident that I have the safety and road sense to ride, I just need some fine tuning. I think I'll get the bike taxed and insured tomorrow, and then head out for some early morning practice runs while the weather and daylight is on side

If anyone is passing through this neck of the woods, and fancies watching my aerobatics, feel free to join me :D
 
Thank you for the advice and reassurance chaps. I have calmed down this morning and have been assessing my shortcomings. I have a nearby quiet route in mind and will get the bike ready to go today.
I realise now that it wasn't so much the process of riding, rather the process of correcting my errors I was struggling with, which became harder still with a tit in my ear.

On a different note, are all instructors chain smokers? I mean, literally, if he wasn't talking/shouting, he had a fag in his mouth.
 
Thanks, really appreciate the guidance and encouragement. Just a shame it's raining now
 
I was discussing this at length last night with my wife, and we both came to the same conclusion regarding the worthiness of the CBT as preparation for hitting the road on a bike.
As I have probably overstated several times, I have been driving for 20 years + and feel I have sufficient road sense and awareness to potentially ride in a sensible and logical manner, without putting myself or anyone else in danger. Even then I have never felt 100% bulletproof on the road, because there are just too many unknown variables.

Yet someone with little or no motoring experience can do their CBT, and there appears to be a lot of variation in terms of what actually constitutes basic training.

In all fairness to my potty mouthed instructor, he did seem to cover all the elements (though we only emergency stopped in the yard), but he just seemed to lack any ability in diagnosing and correcting problems. It was more a case of, this is how you do it, and if you can do it then ************** etc....
 
Things to do before choosing a school/instructor.
-Do a bit of research, ask around and read reviews online
-Don't get put off by unprofessional instructor, a guy who dropped a bike on my leg passed his CBT. (can happen to anyone, right?)
-Sometimes going with a small family ran business is better, than going with a big brand. I hated my driving lessons with Bill Plant, switched to a self-employed learning instructor and it went downhill from there. Same with CBT, I went with a family ran business. When you're the boss, you want customers so you act in a professional manner.

If you've your certificate, just go out in hours when there's barely any traffic and ride around. If you don't have a car license, study the highway code a bit. Practise is all you need, theory is just theory...

One last thing, gear up! 125 can hit 60-70mph and if you look at my last crash you'll see why everyone says to gear up properly. Get a D30 Level 2 back protector, they're like 30 quid and can save you from being paralysed for the rest of your life. ;)


So much anger lately Clov!s, go and talk to someone dude...


Thank you for the guidance. I am really wishing I had asked some of these questions before.

The bloke who seemed to be the main contact for the school seemed a nice enough chap on the phone and through emails back and forth. Sadly he didnt mention it wasnt him leading the training.
I have mapped out a route within half of mile or less from my house that will tackle my weak spots and finish at a car park.
Sadly, gearing up back fired on me yesterday. Made a point of making sure I had all necessary gear before doing the training, but forgot to account for how warm it was yesterday and my jacket didnt have a removable lining.....you'd swear I'd been out in a downpour when I took my jacket off :)
 
Who governs places like this? Surely you shouldn't have been allowed to pass your CBT having dropped the bike twice?! Seems insane to effectively let someone go and ride solo.

Not sure if that was for me or not, but I only dropped it once, along with myself :)
However, I agree, I was that cheesed off when I finished,mentally exhausted with my confidence ripped to bits,that I was ready to call it a day before I'd even started.
Having now had time to think it all through and to think about my mistakes from a distance, I have started to make sense of it all and where I was coming unstuck. In my case it really was a case of a poor instructor (read:teacher) and a lack guidance on the road. Had he have not wasted his breath with unrelated insults and generally showing his frustration, those noises in my ear could have been constructive instead of having me on pins.

Anyhoo, all taxed and insured ready for an early ride Saturday morning. I am actually starting to look forward to it which is progress in itself :)
 
Whilst I am happy to accept it may have been 'banter' (I can't stand that word) in the early stages, it was far from jesting as time went on. It was aggressive in tone, often irrelevant, and unnecessarily derogatory. In the event of a mistake I was essentially made to feel like an inconvenience. Had he have being doing this out of the goodness of his heart I could understand him being so overly vocal in expressing his frustration, but he was being paid quite handsomely to not only ensure I was safe to ride, but to teach me to do so. He didn't appear to have anything to deal with somebody not instantly being able to pick it up. Which to my mind meant he wasn't teaching. Screaming in your ear,and essentially causing unecessary panic whenever something goes wrong, would seem to be the last thing to do if you expect somebody to react in a controlled and calm manner.
 
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