Bad films that should have been good...

Curio said:
I actually really liked it, however it always really annoyed me that Spielberg showed the aliens. It would have worked so much better if they had left that part up to the imagination. Also, that whole section worked really well with the eye-probe as it was and didn't need the aliens coming down into the basement too. Other than that, I loved the atmosphere the movie had and the way it was shot. If they had got rid of the aliens (and Tom Cruise...) it would probably be one of my top movies.
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I agree, what made Alien so revolutionary was that the director took one look at the cheap alien costume they had and said 'we're going to use this as little as possible'. The unknown enemy is the scariest, . I think Cloverfield could have benefited from this too.

I can't quite remember it (was a while ago) but i think that's why i liked the Quatermass remake.
 
Superewza said:
I agree, what made Alien so revolutionary was that the director took one look at the cheap alien costume they had and said 'we're going to use this as little as possible'. The unknown enemy is the scariest, . I think Cloverfield could have benefited from this too.
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Huh? I think the hidden alien angle was the plan from the start, rather than being some late decision due to the primitive effects available.

Besides, the xenomorph is still one of the best looking monsters ever.
 
easyrider said:
King Kong (To long)

Lord of the rings. ( Orcs with London accents and The riders of Rohan with stupid hair net wigs) I could go on.
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Don't be absurd. LotR is an epic book, and getting anything approaching a decent film out of the source material would be an achievement. To produce 3 films of that calibre is nothing short of incredible.
 
vonhelmet said:
The Chronicles of Riddick could have been brilliant, coming off the back of Pitch Black, but it really wasn't.
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Really? I thought Chronicles was a fantastic film :) it is part of my Blu ray collection and gets viewed on a regular basis. Saying that I thought Independence day was good :p

I do agree with you about the LOTR trilogy, what Peter Jackson did was nothing short of amazing.
 
Pottsey said:
Not from what I could see. In one of the early Inceptions when they where teaching the new girl there was no problems. She could adjust the dream on the fly. If I recall correctly in the same dream both her and the man adjusted the dream world on the fly.

Later on one of them summoned a small gun and the other said you’re not thinking big enough and created an AA12. But after this point it was like everyone forgot they where lucid dreaming and just acted like it was real life with real life rules. There were so many times they came across problems which any half decent lucid dreamers could have got around in seconds.
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Totaly agree, I quite enjoyed the film but thought the early scene building parts were much better than the latter sections. It seemed that they set out the rules of the dream and then decided that they wouldn't make the finale exciting enough so introduced loads of forced constraints. In the begining being killed will wake you from any dream.......then they add except this one but we didn't tell anyone before the dream started so you could have just shot him and sent him to 'limbo' thinking you were saving him what a good job we were here to stop you. The whole dream bigger thing was laughable one of them could just dream up a bigger gun yet the guy was still driving round with everyone in a crappy mini bus when surely he could have just dreamed up a APC?

Don't get me wrong I liked the concept and enjoyed the movie I just didn't think it deserved anything like the hype.
 
a1ex2001 said:
Totaly agree, I quite enjoyed the film but thought the early scene building parts were much better than the latter sections. It seemed that they set out the rules of the dream and then decided that they wouldn't make the finale exciting enough so introduced loads of forced constraints. In the begining being killed will wake you from any dream.......then they add except this one but we didn't tell anyone before the dream started so you could have just shot him and sent him to 'limbo' thinking you were saving him what a good job we were here to stop you. The whole dream bigger thing was laughable one of them could just dream up a bigger gun yet the guy was still driving round with everyone in a crappy mini bus when surely he could have just dreamed up a APC?

Don't get me wrong I liked the concept and enjoyed the movie I just didn't think it deserved anything like the hype.
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I assumed all the constraints were to stop the dreamer from realising it was a dream before the idea was planted, no? i.e. 'We want you to break up your dad's empire. Oh, don't mind that 8ft pink rabbit over there with a flamethrower, he's going to kick rocks any second'.
 
Podmonkey said:
Its like they tacked together 2 different films. Evil flying monster seems to need a raincoat and to drive a slow truck in order to collect bodies, until 2 people spot him then he doesnt need them anymore.... Another case of unveiling the monster ruining the film.
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I totally agree. If it was any more obvious there would be a line of stitches down the middle of the screen.

My own additions:
Ultraviolet - nonsensical drivel
Dorian Gray (the modern version) - Possibly one of ther worst films I have ever seen
The Phantom of the Opera - Leonides sings FFS! Redeemed only slightly by Jennifer Ellison's smuggling of two bald men into her dress.
 
ThundyCat said:
Really? I thought Chronicles was a fantastic film :) it is part of my Blu ray collection and gets viewed on a regular basis. Saying that I thought Independence day was good :p
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OK, it's not awful, but it's not nearly as good as it should have been. Perhaps it's an "OK film that should have been amazing".

I remember reading all the stuff about it when it was first being made. It was supposed to be a prequel about Riddick's origins as a ruthless amoral badass. That would have been awesome. Instead we got a sequel in which he turns out to be pretty much an OK guy.

I guess America can't handle an anti-hero.
 
IceBus said “I assumed all the constraints were to stop the dreamer from realising it was a dream before the idea was planted, no? i.e.”
Still doesn’t add up. If that’s a problem why wasn’t it a problem to walk into a snow fortress open a vault door to find your dad in a sick bed? A dad that was already dead if I recall. He didn’t realise that was a dream. What about the people in different layers? Why would the people in the top dream not be able to drive a safer APC tank like car?
 
Pottsey said:
IceBus said “I assumed all the constraints were to stop the dreamer from realising it was a dream before the idea was planted, no? i.e.”
Still doesn’t add up. If that’s a problem why wasn’t it a problem to walk into a snow fortress open a vault door to find your dad in a sick bed? A dad that was already dead if I recall. He didn’t realise that was a dream. What about the people in different layers? Why would the people in the top dream not be able to drive a safer APC tank like car?
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Who didn't realise it was a dream? By the time they opened the vault door, none of the projections were alive any more. And Cillian Murphy was the target of the dream, not a projection of his own subconscious.

An APC might draw a wee bit more attention than a van, no? Hell, they were catching enough flak just in the van.
 
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