**Baddass' Ultimate TFT FAQ and Reviews! (20" and Above Models)**
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no not really..........there's no scandal with Samsung 172X tho
they have confirmed to many places that the retail model is the 12ms panel, as said on the first page of this sticky. the only different ones were the 20ms and 16ms ver which were sent to reviewers very early on. Places like THG who has the slower panel early have admitted Sammy sent them the wrong one and now have reviewed the proper 12ms panel
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Any opinions on the Acer AL1912?
not a bad 19 inch screen. 16ms response time which is good for a screen that size. still 1280 x 1024 res tho, so not an improvement in that respect over a 17inch model. has decent viewing angles of 140 and 140 (not too bad anyway). 500:1 contrast ratio is good. full spec here on Acer site
only prob is it's VGA only (no DVI) so bare that in mind. havent seen this one in person so not sure if it'sa big problem not having it. dont think any users on the forums have one either. have a google around and see
can be had for about £425 too, so not bad for that size TFT
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Picked mine up for £330 (used, open box but otherwise brand new). Just asking for opinions because this is my first TFT so I don't know how it compares to other screens.
Picture seems very sharp, automatically adjusts focus upon resolution changes and the focus adjustments takes around 2 secs with a dialog on screen saying "Auto config...please wait" - do all TFTs have to do this?
Not sure if I miss DVI because its hard to see how the screen could get sharper. Some blurring in games but not very noticable otherwise its a beautiful picture...very happy with it.
Great guide Baddass...cheers.
Picture seems very sharp, automatically adjusts focus upon resolution changes and the focus adjustments takes around 2 secs with a dialog on screen saying "Auto config...please wait" - do all TFTs have to do this?
Not sure if I miss DVI because its hard to see how the screen could get sharper. Some blurring in games but not very noticable otherwise its a beautiful picture...very happy with it.
Great guide Baddass...cheers.
i had the auto config on my AOC for AGES, and it would pop up when swicthing to games, loading windows etc.
check to see what refresh rate u have it set to in your GFX card settings. it should be on 60hz, even tho it can go up to 75hz. it looks noticably better on 60hz here, even tho i tried it on 75hz for ages when i first got it. plus it stops the auto config thing
check to see what refresh rate u have it set to in your GFX card settings. it should be on 60hz, even tho it can go up to 75hz. it looks noticably better on 60hz here, even tho i tried it on 75hz for ages when i first got it. plus it stops the auto config thing
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Thanks for the advice...games seem to default to the optimal resolution, especially in the case of Race Driver 2. I guess its an issue to keep an eye out for.
60hz is a little crisper, for sure.
60hz is a little crisper, for sure.
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excellent thread
nice work badass
thanks
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nice work badass
thanks
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hi baddass, nice thread mate.
just pondering on what tft to choose, want one for games and surfing,
keep seeing good tft's but with so many conflicting reviews i just wondered if you had any recommendations?
was going to go for 17" but may consider 19" to show off if there's not much price differance
btw i love a bargain.
just pondering on what tft to choose, want one for games and surfing,
keep seeing good tft's but with so many conflicting reviews i just wondered if you had any recommendations?
was going to go for 17" but may consider 19" to show off if there's not much price differance
btw i love a bargain.
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alirght mate?
well all the TFT's listed in this sticky are good really. To summarise it all really, the same 16ms AU Optronics panel is used in MOST of the TFT's nowadays. So really the choice you need to make, is not based on panel performance, but based on looks of the TFT. Hyundai Q17, Hitachi, Viewsonic, LG 10B and 20B all use the Au panel, so try and decide which one suits your price range and which one looks best to you, in apperance.
other than that there are a couple which dont use the AU 16ms panel, notably the Sammy 172X and BenQ 767-12 which both have 12ms panels. In reality tho, these panels are very comparable in performance to the 16ms AU, so again, base your decision on looks....they are the top spec on paper tho
it all really boils down to the looks really and the price as all the TFT's atm perform quite similarly. If any of the extra bits are important to you like USB sockets, speakers etc then perhaps take that into consideration
personally if i were ordering a brand new TFT out of the 17inch range at the £300 - £400 range (ones in this thread really) then i'd go for:
LOOKS: LG1020B (looks soooo nice, lovely TFT, only slight draw back is no DVI, but if u read the section about that in this thread it doesnt make a lot of diff anyway on this model), think i'd buy this one myself
PERFORMANCE: perhaps the Q17, as a LOT of ppl have it and seems to be one of the best out there. plus a few extras over the LG like DVI and usb connections too
hope this helps
well all the TFT's listed in this sticky are good really. To summarise it all really, the same 16ms AU Optronics panel is used in MOST of the TFT's nowadays. So really the choice you need to make, is not based on panel performance, but based on looks of the TFT. Hyundai Q17, Hitachi, Viewsonic, LG 10B and 20B all use the Au panel, so try and decide which one suits your price range and which one looks best to you, in apperance.
other than that there are a couple which dont use the AU 16ms panel, notably the Sammy 172X and BenQ 767-12 which both have 12ms panels. In reality tho, these panels are very comparable in performance to the 16ms AU, so again, base your decision on looks....they are the top spec on paper tho
it all really boils down to the looks really and the price as all the TFT's atm perform quite similarly. If any of the extra bits are important to you like USB sockets, speakers etc then perhaps take that into consideration
personally if i were ordering a brand new TFT out of the 17inch range at the £300 - £400 range (ones in this thread really) then i'd go for:
LOOKS: LG1020B (looks soooo nice, lovely TFT, only slight draw back is no DVI, but if u read the section about that in this thread it doesnt make a lot of diff anyway on this model), think i'd buy this one myself
PERFORMANCE: perhaps the Q17, as a LOT of ppl have it and seems to be one of the best out there. plus a few extras over the LG like DVI and usb connections too
hope this helps
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so is it a case of 16ms = au panel = great tft?
also i've seen only a few 19" that have 16ms responce, does this make them all bad for games?
if i wanted the best value for money tft i'd go for the cheapest with 16ms responce time?
what's the best 19" for the money mate?
cheers baddass mate
also i've seen only a few 19" that have 16ms responce, does this make them all bad for games?
if i wanted the best value for money tft i'd go for the cheapest with 16ms responce time?
what's the best 19" for the money mate?
cheers baddass mate
its more a case of 17 inch TFT = 16ms AU panel = great TFT really
nearly all of them have this panel in atm, and yes, it's a VERY nice panel, which is why every manuf is using it atm. arguably the best panel around atm really, the Hydis 20ms panel is ncie too but not made any more, and very comaprable to the 16ms AU anyway
the problem with 19inch panels for me is that they tend to only do the same res as a 17inch anyway, unless u go more expensive and get a ncie 1600 res one. so for me, id go with a 17incher. the panels for the 19inch arent quite there yet as far as gaming and response rates in most cases unfortunately. prob better to save a bit of money and get a top of the range 17 inch than a lower 19inch, thats what i'd do anyway at the mo
well yeah, if u get a 16ms panel out of the 17inch range chances are it uses the 16ms AU panel so it would be great performance wise. Check in the first page to make sure the one u want does have this panel in it. then get the cheapest one with that panel in if your on a budget.
Dell do some good cheaper TFT's. Check their site for their range. Other than that there's the LG1910B which is nice, not sure about prices on 19inch screens really mate. also just found the AOC LM919 for £395, so that's not bad
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hi mate have been offered a LG 1710s 17" TFT that's nearly new.
how much should i be paying for this?
i can get this brand new online for £285
how much should i be paying for this?
i can get this brand new online for £285
£200 maybe? no DVI bare in mind, thats only on the B model. nice TFT tho, wouldnt pay too much 2nd hand tho as it's an old screen now really.........still pretty nice........tough to say how much it's worth, could try him lower tho, like £175 maybe?
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Samsung 172X
Hi
I thought the 172X was the one to go for, as had 12ms response time, DVI, ultra-thin bezel, and looked pretty good too.
But - I've been looking for ages for this, and no-one seems to stock it. It's listed in *** overclockers store, but is never in stock.
I have since found out two things - firstly, the response time of 12ms, although looks good on paper, isn't as fast as other screens with lower response times. This, apparently, is due to Samsung having opted for a PVA matrix type screen that may well offer super-fast transitions when pixels are switching from one extreme to the other (from white to black for example) but which really begins to slow when it's required to switch incrementally such as from white to gray or from light gray to medium gray. So not so good for games.
Also, after e-mailing Overclockers, they say that they will probably not get this monitor back in stock, and Samsung are rumoured to be replacing it anyway.
Does anyone have any information of a replacement? I really like the style of the ultra-thin bezel, but won't spend £405 unless it really is the best gaming LCD monitor.
Hi
I thought the 172X was the one to go for, as had 12ms response time, DVI, ultra-thin bezel, and looked pretty good too.
But - I've been looking for ages for this, and no-one seems to stock it. It's listed in *** overclockers store, but is never in stock.
I have since found out two things - firstly, the response time of 12ms, although looks good on paper, isn't as fast as other screens with lower response times. This, apparently, is due to Samsung having opted for a PVA matrix type screen that may well offer super-fast transitions when pixels are switching from one extreme to the other (from white to black for example) but which really begins to slow when it's required to switch incrementally such as from white to gray or from light gray to medium gray. So not so good for games.
Also, after e-mailing Overclockers, they say that they will probably not get this monitor back in stock, and Samsung are rumoured to be replacing it anyway.
Does anyone have any information of a replacement? I really like the style of the ultra-thin bezel, but won't spend £405 unless it really is the best gaming LCD monitor.
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*** for the info Badass this helped me big style choose my TFT
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The only 'problem' I've seen with large, high quality LCDs is that they are so big and sharp that they reveal the imperfections in video sources, namely DVDs...
Whilst one solution would be to source loads of HD content (Terminator 2 Extreme Edition ), I was wondering if there is any DVD playing software anyone recomends which is somehow more forgiving on decent LCDs?
Whilst one solution would be to source loads of HD content (Terminator 2 Extreme Edition
), I was wondering if there is any DVD playing software anyone recomends which is somehow more forgiving on decent LCDs?
By LCD are you referring to LCD Tvs or in general like TFTs. Most LCD tvs Ive seen are pretty poor up close.
From a distance you dont see the digital smearing/mpeg effects. Sharp contrast and vivid colours though.
I was considering the new Phillips 32" with 800:1 and 12MS as a PC desktop/tv display, but its old 30" predecessor is meant to be as good/better going by the AV forums (one that won all the awards) and having seen it first hand I cant say I felt it was worth the money for my purposes.
Is it just me but
What do magazine reviewers know anyways, do they really test the stuff? Are most reviewers bribed over lunch? Really sometimes I wonder.
Speaking of which
Pc Pro absolutely panned the Samsung 193p (idots, Im going to personally email that guy that reviewed it and show him the results from proper testing)
Some of us actually do try and compare them:
From a distance you dont see the digital smearing/mpeg effects. Sharp contrast and vivid colours though.
I was considering the new Phillips 32" with 800:1 and 12MS as a PC desktop/tv display, but its old 30" predecessor is meant to be as good/better going by the AV forums (one that won all the awards) and having seen it first hand I cant say I felt it was worth the money for my purposes.
Is it just me but
What do magazine reviewers know anyways, do they really test the stuff? Are most reviewers bribed over lunch? Really sometimes I wonder.
Speaking of which
Pc Pro absolutely panned the Samsung 193p (idots, Im going to personally email that guy that reviewed it and show him the results from proper testing)
Some of us actually do try and compare them:
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looks dodgy.......