BBC News - Britishness in Schools

benktlottie said:
I'm not sure what I'm saying or why it has annoyed me, it just has....
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Bit of a silly thing to say because this is an interesting topic and your comment kind of underminds it. By saying that you have highlighted the kind of unfounded fear that people feel. Sounds to me like you have been conditioned into thinking you should feel threatened, but are you truely bothered by this or secretly do you just like the feeling of having something to be angry about?

I'm very much into keeping traditions and think this is a good idea, however the idea that someone can't be British because of their skin colour to me is just stupid. It goes a lot deeper than a name or colour.

If the child had been called Joseph would you be annoyed?
 
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MookJong said:
Bit of a silly thing to say because this is an interesting topic and your comment kind of underminds it. By saying that you have highlighted the kind of unfounded fear that people feel. Sounds to me like you have been conditioned into thinking you should feel threatened, but are you truely bothered by this or secretly do you just like the feeling of having something to be angry about?

I'm very much into keeping traditions and think this is a good idea, however the idea that someone can't be British because of their skin colour to me is just stupid.
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I am a white English person with 400+ years of tracable family history on the wonderful soils of this great country. There cannot be many black or brown men that can say the same thing. I am English, Mustafa is NOT.

I have not been conditioned in any way shape or form. I have my own opinions, and these opinions are not always the same opinions of my family and peers. I take great pride in being English and I will fight to retain my past. I am so proud of my english past. I do not apologise for slavery, I do not apologise for colonising parts of the world. Nature is survival of the fittest, and my British ancestors were the fittest.

All these arty farty PC do-gooders really get on my nerves. I'd love to see their faces if in the future English isnt the first language in this country, white becomes the minority and Mustafa's the PM. Then youll all crawl out of the woodwork moaning "how and when did this happen?"...
 
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benktlottie said:
All these arty farty PC do-gooders really get on my nerves. I'd love to see their faces if in the future English isnt the first language in this country, white becomes the minority and Mustafa's the PM. Then youll all crawl out of the woodwork moaning "how and when did this happen?"...
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So what should Mustafa do now he had found himself born into British society? Should he be planning to emigrate to Africa once he is old enough?

Your sound afraid to me.
 
MookJong said:
So what should Mustafa do now he had found himself born into British society? Should he be planning to emigrate to Africa once he is old enough?

Your sound afraid to me.
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I'm not afraid for me. I am afraid for my 12 year old and 8 months old daughters futures though.
 
MookJong said:
Bit of a silly thing to say because this is an interesting topic and your comment kind of underminds it. By saying that you have highlighted the kind of unfounded fear that people feel. Sounds to me like you have been conditioned into thinking you should feel threatened, but are you truely bothered by this or secretly do you just like the feeling of having something to be angry about?
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Being culturally and racially replaced in your homeland is not an unfounded fear. Why is it that people who dislike the notion of mass immigration and forced cultural realignment are considered to have "unfounded fears"?
I wonder if the Aborigines had unfounded fears.
Personally I think it is patronising and insulting to accuse any one who doesn't share a PC viewpoint as being afraid or fearful.
MookJong said:
I'm very much into keeping traditions and think this is a good idea, however the idea that someone can't be British because of their skin colour to me is just stupid. It goes a lot deeper than a name or colour.

If the child had been called Joseph would you be annoyed?
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100 years ago would a non white non english, non scottish or non welsh person have been called British? Nope. How about 50 years ago? Nope.
A british person has for a long time been someone of English, Scottish or Welsh descent and ancestory. Why is there such pressure now to make it anyone of any background born on these shores?
If a white man is born in China and describes himself as chinese would you think of him as chinese? I doubt it.

Our country has changed a lot in the last 20 years as millions of people have chosen to come and live here. There is no reason why everyone in this country should be actively happy about it nor is there any justification to call concerns about immigration unfounded.

Are Bradford and Luton and Brixton examples of this non event, non change nothing to be concerned about? I don't think so, they are clear indications of the seperatists non integrated and very non british societies within British society that we can expect more of in the future.

Blairs "britishness" education is about seeing that as normal, not about changing those areas to accept British values.
 
MookJong said:
So what should Mustafa do now he had found himself born into British society? Should he be planning to emigrate to Africa once he is old enough?

Your sound afraid to me.
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No need to if the area in which he lives is turned into Africa by the residents of that area.
The school in question seemed about 90% black, how is that an example of integration? Why shouldn't people be concerned about this obvious lack of integration and seperatism?
 
British History I think is a fantastic topic to teach at schools.

I went to a scttish school and part of our history course was all about the industralisation of the UK, the cotton mills the introduction of steam, workhouses the laws that were passed at the time and the reasons for these laws.

However, I would love to have learned more about the time previous to that the creation of the Union, the Irish famine problems the Highland clearances, the battle of waterloo.

Or modern history the period from 1910-1960 for example!

What does it mean to be British cannot be answered in General terms it means different things to different people and cannot be taught. British history should be taught though.

The debate here really interests me as my son was born here in Belgium and we often wonder how it will be for him growing up here (which he probably will) will he be accepted in the Belgian society or will people be discriminating against him in the Belgian version of this debate.

I live in an artifical bubble here where I don't really integrate much into the Belgian way of life but he probably will since he will be fluent in 3 languages from a young age.

Anyway I digress let me know what you think.
 
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VIRII said:
Being culturally and racially replaced in your homeland is not an unfounded fear.
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I know that and it wasn't my argument, my problem was he told us he wasn't racist but was angry about a black child being interviewed but didn't know why.

I certainly don't want to see British culture wiped out hence why I said I want traditions defended and educating people to the British way of life was a good idea.

But when people start saying they fear for their children because there might be a Black Prime Minister in the future that just sounds unfouded and dodgy to me.

You still never explained what this child who angered you should do now he has found himself here. Obviously not try and get a good education and go into politics, wouldn't want your childrens future ruined would we.
 
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MookJong said:
I know that and it wasn't my argument, my problem was he told us he wasn't racist but was angry about a black child being interviewed but didn't know why.
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Ok I misunderstood you, my apologies.
MookJong said:
I certainly don't want to see British culture wiped out hence why I said I want traditions defended and educating people to the British way of life was a good idea.
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I want traditions defended but I don't think that is what Nu Labour have in mind with their classes.
MookJong said:
But when people start saying they fear for their children because there might be a Black Prime Minister in the future that just sounds unfouded and dodgy to me.
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I don't care if the PM is Black or green as long as he's not Labour :p
MookJong said:
You still never explained what this child who angered you should do now he has found himself here. Obviously not try and get a good education and go into politics, wouldn't want your childrens future ruined would we.
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I guess that is not aimed at me? Mustafa should have course settle down and integrate and be just like anyone else.
 
Chronos-X said:
Yawn, send them all back.
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Yawn, can we ban people who post one liners like this time after time after time please. It is clear he has nothing intelligent to add to any discussion.
 
Skii said:
I hear we are pretty good at Bog Snorkelling

well I reckon it could catch on anyway !
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Is that those mentalists who run through peat bogs and then polevault into them with snorkels on?
Top idea :) Though the Irish have more peat bogs than us and will probably beat us after a year or two :(
How about the cheese chasing down the hill?
 
VIRII said:
Ok I misunderstood you, my apologies.

I want traditions defended but I don't think that is what Nu Labour have in mind with their classes.

I don't care if the PM is Black or green as long as he's not Labour :p

I guess that is not aimed at me? Mustafa should have course settle down and integrate and be just like anyone else.
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No bother, just wanted to clarify that I dont think race is a barrior to being or feeling British.

I do however think that having a clash of cultures in this country is a problem but believe intergration is possible. I know this because I see it every day at work.

If we outcast non white children born in this country then you will only see them turn against our society, acceptance and education of our customs and values is the only way to go.
 
VIRII said:
Is that those mentalists who run through peat bogs and then polevault into them with snorkels on?
Top idea :) Though the Irish have more peat bogs than us and will probably beat us after a year or two :(
How about the cheese chasing down the hill?
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They wanted to ban the cheese rolling :( Luckily they didn't and it still happens every year at Cooper's Hill nr Cheltenham :D
 
Mad old tory said:
They wanted to ban the cheese rolling :( Luckily they didn't and it still happens every year at Cooper's Hill nr Cheltenham :D
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Cool :D I understand that there are quite a number of broken limbs each year.
Who wanted to ban it, local council? Vote them out and vote in a cheese friendly party, maybe a cheese and wine party.......
 
They couldn't teach "Britishness" over here - the Republicans would scream "Secterianism!" and the Troubles would start again. Like I've said before, you English are losing your country to foreigners. Stand up for yourselves before it's unacceptable to wear your countries Football top in the pub, without getting threatened :mad:
 
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