be quiet!:Red Ryzen(1600) Vs Blue Core (8400) - GTX 1070 SLi...?

orbitalwalsh · 30 Nov 2017 at 10:46

Time spy 1080p

4k

Unigine Valley 1080p

Time Spy 1080p ;
Vega 56 (Turbo)= GPU Score 8828 vs 1070 Ti = 6805

Time Spy 4k
Vega 56 (Turbo)= GPU Score 2969 vs 1070 Ti = 3077

was expecting that to be the other way around personally - thats quite a big jump for 1080p

Unigine Valley 1080p
Vega 56 (Turbo)= GPU Score 3057 vs 1070 Ti = 3792

will have to do a 4k unigine Valley for both - completely forgot

just realised I'll have to repeat this all for Intel 8400.... ;(

and then have to repeat it all with Vega on water and Ti overclocked.... damn!
so far its close, real close Vega taking lead in DX12 1080p but 70 Ti holding its ground at 4k, whilst dx11 it smashes through at 1080p

orbitalwalsh · 2 Dec 2017 at 09:13

getting RGB on a non RGB Case

need the following controller
My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Cooler Master Master Accessories RGB Fan Controller= £29.99

Total: £33.47 (includes shipping: £3.48)

and to get phanteks Halo to work you need to mobo converter cable.
plug in coolers cable, connect phanteks cable to the units and use a male to male bridge provided in the kit to mate the two cables together

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Phanteks Halos 120mm RGB LED Fan Frame - Black= £9.95
1 x Phanteks RGB LED Adapter Cable= £3.95

Total: £21.29 (includes shipping: £7.39)

The CM hub is pretty cool, could adjust the brightness to 3 settings , ones above are max, then medium and minimum which I'll have to get a shot of, just leaves the rings lit with no light bleed onto the fans ! Actually looks incredible and nice if like me, anti RGB although I do admit the blade design on Bequiet fans offer such a stunning effect on these Halo units

Lowest setting with halo RGB covers on CM Hub

orbitalwalsh · 9 Dec 2017 at 12:50

Bit of a side note, wife mentioned my Parvum case is a little on the large side, know @ExoMale likes to quote itx builds as something different, so why not give it a try .
K3 board off to have Lan port fixed (bloody kids!) So I stuck it in the empty chassis

Least it's another CPU to test against the midrange 8400 & 1600 .... Must resist temptation for trying i3 8100 with the 70Ti and Vega

Heatsinks aren't to bad and a lot more surface area then MSI first attempt at it , and VRM sink is nicely done and bolted solidly
I've got one of my m.2 under Alphacool PCIe heatsink , so interesting to see how it performs against gigabytes solution

8 Pack 3200 ram , will see how far we can get it

That moment when cooler is out on wonky ... Should do for hardware test (already wired up the power button wrong )

System should be this

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Intel Core i7-8700K 3.7GHz (Coffee Lake) Socket LGA1151 Processor - OEM= £379.99
1 x Gigabyte Z370N-WIFI Intel Z370 (Socket 1151) DDR4 Mini-ITX Motherboard= £157.99
1 x Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-28800C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (CMD16GX4= £259.99
1 x be quiet! Dark Rock TF CPU Cooler - 135/135mm= £74.99
1 x be quiet! SFX-L Power 500W 80 Plus Gold Modular Power Supply - Black= £99.95

Total: £984.01 (includes shipping: £11.10)

And will go in either a tweaked

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Lazer3D LZ7 Mini-ITX Case Configurator - ONLINE ONLY = £198.90
- Front Left Corner Column:Lazer3D LZ7 Front Left Corner Column - Orange
- Front Right Corner Column:Lazer3D LZ7 Front Right Corner Column (Full I/O) - Orange
- Rear Left Corner Column:Lazer3D LZ7 Rear Left Corner Column - Orange
- Rear Right Corner Column:Lazer3D LZ7 Rear Right Corner Column - Orange
- Front Panel:Lazer3D LZ7 Front Panel - Midnight Black
- Bottom Panel:Lazer3D LZ7 Bottom Panel - Midnight Black
- Top Panel:Lazer3D LZ7 Top XL-Vent Panel - Midnight Black
- Rear Panel + PCIe Cover:Lazer3D LZ7 Rear DC-DC Power Supply Panel + PCIe Cover - Midnight Black
- Left Panel (GPU):Lazer3D LZ7 Left Panel - Clear Gloss Slotted
- Left Panel Accessory:Lazer3D 120mm/140mm Fan Grill - Black
- Right Panel (Fan):Lazer3D LZ7 Right Panel - Midnight Black Open
- Right Panel Accessory:Lazer3D 120mm/140mm Fan Grill - Black
- Storage Mount:Lazer3D LZ7 2.5" Storage Drive Mount - Midnight Black
- Case Feet:Unwanted
- Case Fan:Unwanted
- CPU Cooler:Unwanted
- Vandal Switch:Lazer3D LZ7 16mm Vandal LED Switch Pre-Wired - White
1 x Parvum Systems X1.0 - Monochrome Black & White= £69.95

Total: £279.35 (includes shipping: £10.50)

GinG · 9 Dec 2017 at 20:50

Have you been able to give both systems a good test yet?

After having both are you more likely to recommend the Intel or amd?

Very happy with my 1600 build mind.

orbitalwalsh · 9 Dec 2017 at 21:19

GinG said:
Have you been able to give both systems a good test yet?

After having both are you more likely to recommend the Intel or amd?

Very happy with my 1600 build mind.

Just read your message and lighting bolt hit, why didn't I just install the 8400 in the itx board and plug in the drivers and carry in with the tests... Not the same board but shouldn't effect the locked 8400, believe itx board also has blck overclock so might try to push the 8400.
Did give amd and good hammering with Vega 56 with turbo mode and gtx 70 Ti and was flawless and pushed a £116 board to hit 3.95 GHz without the board or 1600 dieing !
AMD has cost board partners a lot of money here, Intel makes them money. Had the B350 been locked but with ram speed unlocked. would have been a great platform to allow X chips or standard to be run with 3000/3200 ram kits to offer solid performance per pound, and leave the x370 to get or overclocking manually and the bees knees features..

To be honest... Which ever is cheapest ! Intel K chips hold the top peg for gaming personally and Ryzen 1700 for gaming and media work .
I3 K for me, looking at it on paper... Just the best for price, if it can shake the stigma of its an i3. But 4 cores flying at 4.9ghz overclock for £140 odd on £115 z370 board and ram as high as you like...

But i5 8400 and R5 1600 should dominate sales

orbitalwalsh · 15 Dec 2017 at 13:08

With mention of ram speed and coffeelake - coming from myself mostly thought id put it to the test. Currently on the side project I7 8700K but will do the same for the i5 8400 , which personally for me is the Gem in the group.
know theres lots of reviews out there and peoples on views so thought id try myself

All tests done using @8 Pack 3200hz kit
My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Team Group Dark Pro "8Pack Edition" 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C14 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black/= £229.99

Total: £238.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)

2400hz

will get some game benchmarks up next

orbitalwalsh · 11 Jan 2018 at 13:19

And finally got the intel build done !

will say when I started this - took a little longer then planned and prices and stock all went mental . intel i5 8400 and ryzen 1600 were the same price when this started, now ryzen is at a price drop and 8400 is floating over £210 .
At the start I would have said the i5 8400 with z370 board pushing 3600 ram would have been the gamers choice!
Now, its ryzen, cheaper, cheaper boards, can use slower cheaper ram ... intel did when games but not by much !

as for the GPUs, I got the Vega 56 stock for £409 here , later friday sales were £350 and now sold to a miner for £630!
My personal view on them- both cracking! Vega 56 edges on DX12 and the fact freesync screens are cheaper- specially that AOC 32" 1440P va 75HZ panel for £200- blessing for this card. GTX 1070 Ti has the advantage with DX11 and power - but now even prices of this and gtx 1070 Ti in general are creeping up!
With the talk of 1070Ti vs 1080 10/11Gbps ... if your doing VR then grab the 1080 11Gbps if you can, if not standard 10Gbps , if gaming on screen then save some cash and OC the 1070 Ti.

I've ordered a GTX 1070 Ti Palit Dual card for the Ryzen build... will be able to see how a Top tier and entry card fare and hopefully slap a waterblock on it to push the chipset .
Least i can run a intel/ryzen vs with default 1070Ti at the same time

pics

Light it up!

apologies for poor pics- limited space and time haha

orbitalwalsh · 15 Jan 2018 at 08:07

Second Gtx 1070Ti turned up for the Ryzen build, was meant to be Palit Dual but didnt order in time so saw a Windforce come up on sale, turns out its the Triple fan Gaming version- score!

Unfortunate- 500w UNit installed which can run the cards at default speeds but would be under 95% load and I didn't get an SLi bridge in the box ;(
But couldnt help resist throwing it in for some snaps!

Friends asked if it was worth slapping the second one in his rig- personally couldn't recommend it but think i'll try SLi bench mark on the Ryzen build for the hell of it