Poll: Belgian Grand Prix 2021, Spa-Francorchamps - Race 12

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Saw this online and fully believe that F1 should adopt the same approach as WEC.

F1 badly needed to take a lesson from the World Endurance Championship. In 2013 its Fuji round was drastically shortened and run entirely behind the Safety Car, also due to heavy rain. Points were awarded, but the organisers had the sense to recognise the absurdity of that decision, and resolved to put it right.

So for the following year the series’ 2014 rules were amended to state drivers must complete at least two laps of green-flag running before any points can be given.

That said, Bernie has sprung up insisting he would have ordered the start at 4pm regardless...

“I would have told the teams and the drivers at 3pm, ‘It is raining, we are prepared to put it off for an hour and hope the weather is going to change. But no matter what happens the race will start at 4pm and then it is up to you whether you take part or not’,” he told the newspaper.

The question of whether to start or not should have been left in the drivers’ hands, he insisted. “If they wanted to take a risk to get points then it was up to them. If you wanted to hang in there and do a lot more laps to make sure you won the race then that’s what you could have done.”

“If we were in the army and we were told we have to go to Afghanistan, we might have said, ‘bloody hell, that doesn’t sound safe, but we have to go, we don’t have a choice’,” he added.
 
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Bernie is old school and that’s what they used to do. Either race or don’t. Modern F1 drivers don’t seem very adaptable to the rain, they seem to have an inability to slow down.
 

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Bernie is old school and that’s what they used to do. Either race or don’t.

True, with the occasional caveat. Bernie himself did indeed threaten to call a halt to proceedings at least once: Hockenheim '78. He'd recruited Professor Sid Watkins to be a permanent Grand Prix doctor that year, Sid rocked up at Hockenheim and was somewhat disconcerted by the medical arrangements:

Prof Sid Watkins said:
In Sweden I had been surprised to find a caravan as the medical centre, but here at a sophisticated circuit with so many permanent and excellent buildings including a hotel the medical centre was a converted bus! It was a single-decker provided and equipped by a volunteer organization and, being mobile, was used for other sporting events elsewhere as required. It was well equipped with the usual resuscitation, ventilation, and defibrillation facilities, and it was air conditioned and connected to mains power. Ideally, there would have been anaesthetists and surgeons on hand but here there were only two doctors to staff it, neither of whom was an anaesthetist. The medical crew camped, slept and cooked alongside the bus which was parked out in the paddock.

Dr Bernd Adami, a gastrointestinal specialist, was the Chief Medical Officer. He and his team were upset and bitter at the lack of help and consideration from the circuit and the club, particularly in providing sufficient passes for the medical team. Thus, on the first practice day there were only four doctors and one medical student. On the second practice day there were nine, and on race day there were ten. But in order to achieve this I had to insist on getting extra passes. Evacuation by helicopter was by the Autobahn helicopter response and Dr Adami told me that delays of up to forty-five minutes could occur if the helicopters were busy elsewhere. Adami had had to man one of the ambulances himself because of the shortage of doctors during practice. But on race day the final insult was perpetrated by his being refused admission to Race Control. He was told that there would be sufficient liaison between the medical team and Race Control and myself through Mr Langford [JRS note: Robert Langford, then the F1 Safety Delegate]. During the dispute, Dr Adami was roundly chastised and insulted by a lady who also dispensed hospitality as well as abuse.

This was just before the actual preparations on the grid, and it was at this stage that I enlisted Bernie Ecclestone’s aid. His response was that unless Race Control agreed with my proposal he would get the drivers out of the already assembled Formula One cars on the grid and we would all go home. The shocked authorities replied, ‘If you do that, what are we going to do with this huge crowd of German people waiting to watch the race?’ Bernie responded that they could all perform a certain act in somewhat impolite terms. He then turned to me and said, ‘I’ll go down and stand in front of the grid. If things are OK, put your thumb up. If not, I’ll get the drivers out of the cars.’ There was no resistance or even discussion after that, and the parade lap started on time. As a result Dr Adami and I observed the race from Race Control; but at the end of the event Bernd and his whole team said it was unlikely that they would agree to come to Hockenheim ever again. And they never did.

Happily the situation at Hockenheim got better and a proper, fully staffed medical centre was built in time for the next race.

Modern F1 drivers don’t seem very adaptable to the rain, they seem to have an inability to slow down.

I don't know how much of it is that and how much of it is modern F1 cars simply not working in the wet. The cars are huge, heavy things, they have much narrower setup and operating windows for optimal performance than they used to, the drivers are that buried in the cockpit now that they can't really see out properly even in the dry...
 
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You have driven a 2014 Ferrari F1 car? Interesting and impressive in equal measure what were the circumstances around that? What track etc ?


Was at Maranello in 2018, a client I drive for in various historic championships, got invited there as he owns/runs quite a few classic Ferraris, I went along as a guest, we got to test drive a few nice classic racecars he was looking at buying, and the Ex Raikkonen F14 T, which unfortunately was not for sale.
 
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Bernie is old school and that’s what they used to do. Either race or don’t. Modern F1 drivers don’t seem very adaptable to the rain, they seem to have an inability to slow down.

I think, as others may have touched on, it's the cars more than the drivers. They are simply not designed to go slow.

The drivers are some of the best in the world - and some of them have shown great skill in the wet. But when the conditions overtake the capabilities of the car, it doesent matter how good the driver is.

Then there are the operating windows for the car. Then budget caps.

When you add it all up, it isnt really the drivers that are the problem in these situations, but like anyone, they have a healthy respect for their own safety.

If they had raced - it would have been a cluster **** and someone may well have been seriously hurt.
 
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I think, as others may have touched on, it's the cars more than the drivers. They are simply not designed to go slow.

The drivers are some of the best in the world - and some of them have shown great skill in the wet. But when the conditions overtake the capabilities of the car, it doesent matter how good the driver is.
It wasn't the track conditions or even the cars. They've raced in worse before. The problem was one of visibility. You can make deeper and more effective wet weather tyres no problem and we've had them in the past, but they obviously displace a lot water, which with these cars is turned into a fine mist by the diffuser and wing.

Added to that the water thrown up on the Kemmel straight wasn't going anywhere - it just hung in the air like a mist, and visibility even behind the safety car at low speed wasn't great.
 
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I think, as others may have touched on, it's the cars more than the drivers. They are simply not designed to go slow.

That is indeed a common argument, and yet they managed behind the safety car without aqua planning off the track, so it can be done. Whether it’s wise to depends on the era that you’re in.
 
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