BenQ XL2410 120Hz 3D LED Gaming Monitor

3t3P said:
guys we are not gonna see oled for some time at these sizes, you want a monitor like the benq youre gonna have to just buy it imo
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LG are releasing a 31" 1920*1080 res, 2.9mm thick 3D panel in March 2011, so the "size barrier" is not there. The barrier is price.


Yes, it will be expensive, but as with all new screen technologies they will come down in price rapidly once they begin to be adopted.


Anyway, my point was not that "OLED screens are going to be available very soon", it was that the technical barriers to creating IPS panels at 120Hz are large enough that they are not worth the R+D effort. IPS panels are aimed at the high end market, and this market will be taken over by OLED screens from 2011-2012. Therefore there would be only a very limited window where a 120Hz IPS screen would experience a viable place in the market, and the R+D would not be worth the investment for such a short lifespan.

120Hz TN panels will continue to occupy the lower-end 3D segment for a good while longer due to their low price, and the TN technology is inherently easier to scale to higher refrsh rates.
 
DitsHavoc said:
Still waiting for the monitor that can run my PC and PS3 in 3D...one day
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Aye, but with the PS3 they have to drop the render resolution hugely to achieve playable framerates with 3D. I'm not sure it would be worth spending £300+ on a monitor to experience this - best just sticking to the PC (or wait for next-gen consoles) for 3D gaming.
 
cmndr_andi said:
Aye, but with the PS3 they have to drop the render resolution hugely to achieve playable framerates with 3D. I'm not sure it would be worth spending £300+ on a monitor to experience this - best just sticking to the PC (or wait for next-gen consoles) for 3D gaming.
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Very true, im guessing the PS3 3D would look pretty terrible in this case. Does make me chuckle how this is the dawn of HD gaming where most console games run below 720p
 
Quite interested in this, will hold for some reviews and see what the prices are like - generally BenQ monitors seem to be reasonably well priced though.
 
Duff-Man said:
LG are releasing a 31" 1920*1080 res, 2.9mm thick 3D panel in March 2011, so the "size barrier" is not there. The barrier is price.


Yes, it will be expensive, but as with all new screen technologies they will come down in price rapidly once they begin to be adopted.


Anyway, my point was not that "OLED screens are going to be available very soon", it was that the technical barriers to creating IPS panels at 120Hz are large enough that they are not worth the R+D effort. IPS panels are aimed at the high end market, and this market will be taken over by OLED screens from 2011-2012. Therefore there would be only a very limited window where a 120Hz IPS screen would experience a viable place in the market, and the R+D would not be worth the investment for such a short lifespan.

120Hz TN panels will continue to occupy the lower-end 3D segment for a good while longer due to their low price, and the TN technology is inherently easier to scale to higher refrsh rates.
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Do want!

How much will it cost do you reckon? Is it time to start saving? :D
 
$6000 :p

So, no - probably not worth saving up yet unless you happen to be insanely rich already. BUT, by the end of 2012 we should see a wide variety of large OLED screens at much more affordable prices. LG will be the first to market, and so can charge the kind of premium that exclusivity demands, but by time time all the big panel manufacturers get into the mix things competition will force prices down very quickly. There will be plenty of demand for screens like this... OLED really is a massive jump forward in screen technology. Ultra-thin and flexible screens with perfect viewing angles is only the very start of what OLED has to offer.
 
Duff-Man said:
$6000 :p

So, no - probably not worth saving up yet unless you happen to be insanely rich already. BUT, by the end of 2012 we should see a wide variety of large OLED screens at much more affordable prices. LG will be the first to market, and so can charge the kind of premium that exclusivity demands, but by time time all the big panel manufacturers get into the mix things competition will force prices down very quickly. There will be plenty of demand for screens like this... OLED really is a massive jump forward in screen technology. Ultra-thin and flexible screens with perfect viewing angles is only the very start of what OLED has to offer.
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My enthusiasm has dwindled slightly...
 
What you need to look out for is Samsung OLED screens coming to the market. They're only going to do that once they see them as economically viable - you're not alone in thinking $6000 (probably about £4500 considering British ripoff tax) is too much.
 
I suspect that the LG panel in the video is priced so high due to exclusivity, more than anything else. Being the only OLED panel of reasonable size available on the market can command a very high price tag.

As for economic viability; as I understand it the manufacturing costs are not the real issue - recovering the billions spent on R+D is the key for these big panel manufacturers. For example, Samsung recently announced a further $2.2Billion investment into their AMOLED technology.

I'm all for OLED screens, in fact I can't wait, but as with all things it's competition that will force prices down. Samsung may say that they're "biding their time", and it certainly makes for a good press release, but from a business perspective I suspect that they would love to get in on the high profit margin ultra-high-end market segment as soon as possible, because it will disappear completely within 18 months or so as OLEDs become mainstream.

Anyway, I'm sorry for taking another thread off topic with talk of OLED screens :p The BenQ 120Hz screen in the OP looks like it could be a great product. It's been too long since we had a new 120Hz screen, and BenQ do have a habit of releasing decent screens at very good prices.
 
Duff-Man said:
I suspect that the LG panel in the video is priced so high due to exclusivity, more than anything else. Being the only OLED panel of reasonable size available on the market can command a very high price tag.

As for economic viability; as I understand it the manufacturing costs are not the real issue - recovering the billions spent on R+D is the key for these big panel manufacturers. For example, Samsung recently announced a further $2.2Billion investment into their AMOLED technology.

I'm all for OLED screens, in fact I can't wait, but as with all things it's competition that will force prices down. Samsung may say that they're "biding their time", and it certainly makes for a good press release, but from a business perspective I suspect that they would love to get in on the high profit margin ultra-high-end market segment as soon as possible, because it will disappear completely within 18 months or so as OLEDs become mainstream.

Anyway, I'm sorry for taking another thread off topic with talk of OLED screens :p The BenQ 120Hz screen in the OP looks like it could be a great product. It's been too long since we had a new 120Hz screen, and BenQ do have a habit of releasing decent screens at very good prices.
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No I thank you for taking it off topic. :D Really the thing that excites people about the BenQ XL2410 is not just the concept of 'another 3D monitor', but one that is also LED backlit and presents some new features. I really think that the next logical 'big thing' for 3D monitors that will really get people excited probably will come in the form of OLED.

And you're right about what Samsung say vs. what goes on behind closed doors. Samsung set certain targets for themselves. For a typical ‘large TV sized’ screen this included reducing maximum power consumption from 62W to <30W, doubling screen lifetime from >50,000 hours (over 5 years) to >100,000 hours (over 11 years) and using TFT backplane substrates to enhance the size and resolution of the OLED screen. At the conference where these keynotes were taken from they estimated that the technology wouldn't be ready for the mainstream market until 2015. But $2.2bn is a truly massive investment and once the new gen production facilities go online in 2012 that is probably when we'll see some real action from Samsung. Like you said - there is a premium market to fill before the mainstream and once the R&D budget is reduced it's time to roll.
 
Well how can anybody possibly say until it's released? The fact that the XL2410 is a 120Hz '3D' monitor is quite a major 'feature' that will distinguish them but image quality is anybody's guess. Generally Samsung have been superior to BenQ in that department but we'll have to see when the XL2410 turns up.
 
The Asus seems to still be doing well at its current price incarnation. I am sure that this is partly the case due to low competition in the field, but the BenQ from the little information one might obtain seems to be a better version with some extra features. Thus the price point should be expected to be slightly higher. They have also built up some brand reputation and possibly loyalty so I guess they will not try to sell it on price alone.
 
does anyone know if this will be compatible with 3dvision? I will buying a new monitor sometime over the next 4 - 6 weeks and its probably going to be between this and the 23" 120Hz Asus panel.
Thanks.
 
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