Best floorstanders for under £400

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Looking to buy some new speakers for downstairs for music and movies so I can move my current 2020i's upstairs for PC use.

Was thinking Q Acoustics 2050i's or maybe 3050 (they may be a little wide though). Also like the look of the Fyne Audio f302's.

Would also consider stand mounts. Maybe Dali Zensor 3's.

Note: Amp is a Denon N9.

Any recommendations?
 
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Ones I recommend are 4 ohm so no. Don't think I'd use 4 ohm speakers with that amp

Make sure high sensitivity too 91db+ that means you don't need a lot of power to get spl levels.
 
Hornetstinger is right. The Ceol N5 doesn't have a lot of power, so more efficient speakers will help. Fortunately all the speakers you listed are more efficient than the Q 2020i which are something like 86 or 88dB. The floorstanders and Dalis are 90-92dB.

The N5 spec says 2x60W, but they're measuring in a way that flatters the figures. The N5 draws a maximum of 55W from the mains, and since there's no way to magic up extra Watts than the power supply draws, then in real terms you're dealing with about 20-25W/ch in to 8 Ohms at sensible distortion levels.

Is that enough power?

Bass aside for a moment, apart from that, are you happy with the volume and sound quality from the 2020i speakers?

If yes, then any of your listed models will be okay too.

The Fyne F302 are the most efficient at 92dB, and being 8 Ohm rather than 6 Ohm for the others means that if you had the power to drive them hard then these would probably maintain their scale and composure better at higher volumes.

All the speakers you've listed though are decent.

The Dali being stand mounters won't go as deep as the floorstanding speakers, but in a smaller room they could end up being the best choice since the bass won't dominate the sound.

Don't buy purely on recommendation though. Go have a listen.
 
Hornetstinger is right. The Ceol N5 doesn't have a lot of power, so more efficient speakers will help. Fortunately all the speakers you listed are more efficient than the Q 2020i which are something like 86 or 88dB. The floorstanders and Dalis are 90-92dB.

The N5 spec says 2x60W, but they're measuring in a way that flatters the figures. The N5 draws a maximum of 55W from the mains, and since there's no way to magic up extra Watts than the power supply draws, then in real terms you're dealing with about 20-25W/ch in to 8 Ohms at sensible distortion levels.

Is that enough power?

Bass aside for a moment, apart from that, are you happy with the volume and sound quality from the 2020i speakers?

If yes, then any of your listed models will be okay too.

The Fyne F302 are the most efficient at 92dB, and being 8 Ohm rather than 6 Ohm for the others means that if you had the power to drive them hard then these would probably maintain their scale and composure better at higher volumes.

All the speakers you've listed though are decent.

The Dali being stand mounters won't go as deep as the floorstanding speakers, but in a smaller room they could end up being the best choice since the bass won't dominate the sound.

Don't buy purely on recommendation though. Go have a listen.

Thanks for the reply, some very useful info there :)

My Denon is actually the N9 model, not sure if that makes any difference. I'm guessing these mini all in one systems are all quite low on power though.

I'm very happy with the volume and sound quality of my current 2020i's and would happily keep them downstairs but I need some speakers for my PC so I'm going to pinch them and buy some new ones.

My living room certainly isn't huge, so maybe floorstanders might dominate a little too much? Maybe I'd be better off with stand mounts.
 
Thanks for the reply, some very useful info there :)

My Denon is actually the N9 model, not sure if that makes any difference. I'm guessing these mini all in one systems are all quite low on power though.

I'm very happy with the volume and sound quality of my current 2020i's and would happily keep them downstairs but I need some speakers for my PC so I'm going to pinch them and buy some new ones.

My living room certainly isn't huge, so maybe floorstanders might dominate a little too much? Maybe I'd be better off with stand mounts.

First off, my apologies. I did actually look up the N9 but put N5 in the reply by mistake. N5 and N9 both have about the same power rating anyway - 60W in to 4 Ohm @ 1kHz (number of channels driven is inspecified, as is whether that's an RMS power figure) but I have read 65W quoted for the N9 too, not that it really makes any noticeable difference.

Re BIB: All speakers need a bit of space to breath.Usually with bass ported speakers in either standmount or floorstander configuration the rough guide is about 20cm from the back wall and somewhere around 60cm from the nearest side wall. Going progressively closer will have the effect of reinforcing certain bass frequencies where the sound starts to become chesty and eventually boomy. It also messes up the imaging, so you don't get the depth and height of the sound stage. Naturally, the deeper the bass a speaker produces then the more breathing room it will require.

Some of these effects can be offset to a degree by blocking the bass port with a foam bung, but only if the speaker is designed to have this done.

Any speaker designed for this will come supplied with foam bungs in the box. Sometimes they're a simple solid cylinder. Others are a more complex affair consisting of one or two tubes with a solid central cylinder to make a solid shape. Reducing the port diameter with a cylinder allow some progressive tuning rather than the all-or-nothing approach of a solid bung.

There's a recent thread where someone with speakers mounted in the corners of the room tried the bung idea. They got positive results. Have a read here, particularly post #6. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/wall-mounting-speakers-or-mounting-on-stands.18827371/

Using bungs does change the character of the speaker's sound, so it's not a completely benign solution. But overall if it fixes more than it alters then it's worth investigating.

This brings us back to the question of standmounters versus floorstanders in a room with limited space. Weighing up the pros and cons I look at it this way:

Floor space taken - Equal
Cabinet rigidity (*1) - Better with standmounters under £400
Bass extension - Better with floorstanders
Speaker efficiency (dB/W) - Generally better with larger speakers
In-room positioning flexibility - Better with standmounters.


*1 - If the walls of the cabinet aren't thick enough or braced well enough then they'll vibrate in sympathy with the speaker's drivers. When this happens you hear it as bass notes not stopping cleanly, and as smearing of detail and a loss of accuracy. At worst it can be a pronounced honk at the resonant frequency of whichever panel is vibrating. With small speakers, these resonances are at higher frequencies so are less likely to affect midrange and bass. Also, from an engineering manufacture point of view, the cabinet is the most costly single item, so smaller cabinets mean lower costs which in turn means more money in the budget to spend on thicker panels and more bracing. With floorstanders, the sheer size of the cabinet presents cost issues as well as physical issues. This is why cheap floorstanders in the sub £300 price range often don't sound as tight and musical as as standmounters at 2/3rds the price.

There's a simple test for rigidity. Knock on the side of the cabinet. If it sounds like you've just rapped your knuckles on marble or concrete then the speaker is very rigid. But if it sounds like a big hollow box then that's exactly what the speaker is.


The bottom line is that you need to listen to speakers in a demo that closely mimics how you'll run them at home. Then, if you're doing it properly, borrow the demo pairs of your two top choices and try them in your home. You may find that the speakers you thought were best in-store sound a bit different in your lounge.
 
First off, my apologies. I did actually look up the N9 but put N5 in the reply by mistake. N5 and N9 both have about the same power rating anyway - 60W in to 4 Ohm @ 1kHz (number of channels driven is inspecified, as is whether that's an RMS power figure) but I have read 65W quoted for the N9 too, not that it really makes any noticeable difference.

Re BIB: All speakers need a bit of space to breath.Usually with bass ported speakers in either standmount or floorstander configuration the rough guide is about 20cm from the back wall and somewhere around 60cm from the nearest side wall. Going progressively closer will have the effect of reinforcing certain bass frequencies where the sound starts to become chesty and eventually boomy. It also messes up the imaging, so you don't get the depth and height of the sound stage. Naturally, the deeper the bass a speaker produces then the more breathing room it will require.

Some of these effects can be offset to a degree by blocking the bass port with a foam bung, but only if the speaker is designed to have this done.

Any speaker designed for this will come supplied with foam bungs in the box. Sometimes they're a simple solid cylinder. Others are a more complex affair consisting of one or two tubes with a solid central cylinder to make a solid shape. Reducing the port diameter with a cylinder allow some progressive tuning rather than the all-or-nothing approach of a solid bung.

There's a recent thread where someone with speakers mounted in the corners of the room tried the bung idea. They got positive results. Have a read here, particularly post #6. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/wall-mounting-speakers-or-mounting-on-stands.18827371/

Using bungs does change the character of the speaker's sound, so it's not a completely benign solution. But overall if it fixes more than it alters then it's worth investigating.

This brings us back to the question of standmounters versus floorstanders in a room with limited space. Weighing up the pros and cons I look at it this way:

Floor space taken - Equal
Cabinet rigidity (*1) - Better with standmounters under £400
Bass extension - Better with floorstanders
Speaker efficiency (dB/W) - Generally better with larger speakers
In-room positioning flexibility - Better with standmounters.


*1 - If the walls of the cabinet aren't thick enough or braced well enough then they'll vibrate in sympathy with the speaker's drivers. When this happens you hear it as bass notes not stopping cleanly, and as smearing of detail and a loss of accuracy. At worst it can be a pronounced honk at the resonant frequency of whichever panel is vibrating. With small speakers, these resonances are at higher frequencies so are less likely to affect midrange and bass. Also, from an engineering manufacture point of view, the cabinet is the most costly single item, so smaller cabinets mean lower costs which in turn means more money in the budget to spend on thicker panels and more bracing. With floorstanders, the sheer size of the cabinet presents cost issues as well as physical issues. This is why cheap floorstanders in the sub £300 price range often don't sound as tight and musical as as standmounters at 2/3rds the price.

There's a simple test for rigidity. Knock on the side of the cabinet. If it sounds like you've just rapped your knuckles on marble or concrete then the speaker is very rigid. But if it sounds like a big hollow box then that's exactly what the speaker is.


The bottom line is that you need to listen to speakers in a demo that closely mimics how you'll run them at home. Then, if you're doing it properly, borrow the demo pairs of your two top choices and try them in your home. You may find that the speakers you thought were best in-store sound a bit different in your lounge.

Thanks for the info, lots of food for thought there :)

My biggest issue is that I have units either side of where I have my speakers. I do have a bit of clearance from the wall though.

So taking that into consideration and the price bracket I am looking at, maybe stand mounts are the way forwards.

I'm very pleased with the sound from my 2020i's, so maybe something similar, maybe slightly bigger.

Edit: I have added a picture of my setup, so you can see what I mean by limited space:

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I may just get a second pair of 2020i's for now as they can be had for £89 :)
 
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Thanks for the picture. That's helpful. I see what you mean.

Here's a question: if you're happy with the sound qualty of the 2020i, but we're looking at larger speakers to fill in some more bass, have you considered another pair of 2020i married to a sub?
 
Thanks for the picture. That's helpful. I see what you mean.

Here's a question: if you're happy with the sound qualty of the 2020i, but we're looking at larger speakers to fill in some more bass, have you considered another pair of 2020i married to a sub?

I'd rather keep it simple stereo two speakers. No real room for a sub.

I am perfectly happy with the 2020i sound, just saw this as an opportunity to upgrade as I need some speakers for upstairs.
 
Looking to buy some new speakers for downstairs for music and movies so I can move my current 2020i's upstairs for PC use.

Was thinking Q Acoustics 2050i's or maybe 3050 (they may be a little wide though). Also like the look of the Fyne Audio f302's.

Would also consider stand mounts. Maybe Dali Zensor 3's.

Note: Amp is a Denon N9.

Any recommendations?


https://www.richersounds.com/tannoy-precision-6-4-wal-1.html

just a tad over budget but these retailed for £2200 a few years back. i would be breaking the bank for them.
 
Very heavy very nice wooden cabinets on the 2004 era Mordaunt Short Mezzo 8s. Really good bass extension and a beautiful aspirated tweeter. 2 pairs for £600 on ebay, one pair messed up so you could ask for the good pair for £350-£400 easily.

I just replaced my Kef Q500s with standmount Mezzo 2s and they blow the newer KEFs away on scale and punch and they weigh more than the floorstanders! I reckon they would be comparable to the Kef R300 series having heard those in store @ £1499. Got these babies for £150!
 
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