Bit of info on the GTO/3000GT

Gibbo · 12 Apr 2006 at 08:43

Stellios said:
The Ford V6 in the Stang doesnt really push that much power IIRC (0-60 in 7ish seconds i think) compared to a lot of others, same with the 5l V8 in the current stang GT (0-60 in just over 5.5 aint it?), but the sounds they produce are pants wetting territory and the looks of the cars are far superior.

Gibbo, you have too good taste in cars, i really want to be you right now.

The 2005/2006 Ford Mustang GT is quoted by Ford as hitting 60mph in 5.1s with 300BHP. However I am unsure if Ford quoting 300BHP flywheel power or at the wheels power with them been American?

My car the Saleen edition is 330BHP and they claim a 0-60mph of 4.6s, again whether the BHP is flywheel or at the wheels is unknown.

I remember speaking with Saleen who said if I was to replace the air element for a CAI kit and they would send me a re-map for our fuel that power would increase to 390BHP at the back wheels, that too me seems far to big an increase. Another easy modification is add-on the Saleen Supercharger, about 3.5k fitted takes them to whatever you wish to run, engine supposedly can handle upto 520BHP on stock internals and most tune them to 460-480BHP with the superchargers which drops 0-60 supposedly down to 3.4s.

Anybody who has watched Mad Max when he hits the red button in the car it sounds awsome from the Supercharger whining and the Saleen superchargers supposedly sound identical, oooooh tempting maybe in the next 6 months.

Oh and the Mustang is doing about 14-16MPG.

Zip · 12 Apr 2006 at 08:45

Gibbo said:
The 2005/2006 Ford Mustang GT is quoted by Ford as hitting 60mph in 5.1s with 300BHP. However I am unsure if Ford quoting 300BHP flywheel power or at the wheels power with them been American?

My car the Saleen edition is 330BHP and they claim a 0-60mph of 4.6s, again whether the BHP is flywheel or at the wheels is unknown.

I remember speaking with Saleen who said if I was to replace the air element for a CAI kit and they would send me a re-map for our fuel that power would increase to 390BHP at the back wheels, that too me seems far to big an increase. Another easy modification is add-on the Saleen Supercharger, about 3.5k fitted takes them to whatever you wish to run, engine supposedly can handle upto 520BHP on stock internals and most tune them to 460-480BHP with the superchargers which drops 0-60 supposedly down to 3.4s.
Anybody who has watched Mad Max when he hits the red button in the car it sounds awsome from the Supercharger whining and the Saleen superchargers supposedly sound identical, oooooh tempting maybe in the next 6 months.

Oh and the Mustang is doing about 14-16MPG.

So is the Supercharger on your shopping list then?

Gibbo · 12 Apr 2006 at 08:56

Zip said:
So is the Supercharger on your shopping list then?

Quite possibly!

BUT not yet as at the moment the car seems to be getting quicker which I can only put down to the engine loosening up as it is now upto 1500 miles so I am happy with the performance.

My only mods for now will be the CAI kit and the computer re-flash for UK fuel and I am sure that will be enough. Gotta be careful because even now you can light up the rears in the dry in 2nd/3rd if your too heavy footed or the roads are a bit grubby. So adding 50-150BHP is gonna make it even more fun.

Dr Who · 12 Apr 2006 at 09:31

The supercharger for the mustang is a Turbo style unit isnt it?

Geared up running off a drive belt?

If you watch out for the episode of Overhaulin with the 2005 mustang, they slapped one in, gave 420 bhp straight off...

3000gt is a nice car, my neighbour here in cyprus has one, well tuned up, its an absolute missile...

That heavens for 100 octane fuel at the pumps here

Dogbreath · 12 Apr 2006 at 13:50

Dr Who said:
The supercharger for the mustang is a Turbo style unit isnt it?

Geared up running off a drive belt?

Centrifugal compressor...

Wonder if that's the same as the supercharge kit for the MG ZT-260, which also has the Mustang engine?

[TW]Fox · 12 Apr 2006 at 13:52

Pffft 540i > plastic Jap supercar thingy.

Mic · 12 Apr 2006 at 14:02

[TW]Fox said:
Pffft 540i > plastic Jap supercar thingy.

If your a smart sensible young man, then I'd agree. But you only live once and to be honest, id take the 3000gt.

[TW]Fox · 12 Apr 2006 at 14:17

300bhp V8 powered RWD monsters are not really *that* sensible you know

Mic · 12 Apr 2006 at 14:19

[TW]Fox said:
300bhp V8 powered RWD monsters are not really *that* sensible you know

You'll look sensible

Gibbo · 12 Apr 2006 at 14:25

Dogbreath said:
Centrifugal compressor...

Wonder if that's the same as the supercharge kit for the MG ZT-260, which also has the Mustang engine?

Quite possible m8 as the only difference is the state of tune of the engines.

Good think about the Saleen Superchargers is they only need to operate at 3lb-5lb of boost or whatever it is to get serious BHP levels and full power available from very low revs.

[TW]Fox · 12 Apr 2006 at 14:27

Mic said:
You'll look sensible

As you dissapear off down the road in a cloud of tyre smoke, V8 noise and leaving behind two big black stripes

Mic · 12 Apr 2006 at 14:43

[TW]Fox said:
As you dissapear off down the road in a cloud of tyre smoke, V8 noise and leaving behind two big black stripes

Good point.

Kitchster_uk · 12 Apr 2006 at 18:31

[TW]Fox said:
Pffft 540i > plastic Jap supercar thingy.

In reality the 540i and the 3000GT performance isn't a mile apart and the power is very similar, just mattpc pointed out on the phone last night, this is likely to be my last 'mentalmobile' for a while and the 540i can wait - it's the perfect thing for when I have a family as the missus won't suspect the beemer of being a beast

Fuel economy - I managed 24mpg out of the MX-5 this week...

Insurance was on a standard car but I agree - that is cheap!

Cheers for the advice, any hints on what to look for when purchasing one???

Gibbo · 12 Apr 2006 at 18:36

Kitchster_uk said:
In reality the 540i and the 3000GT performance isn't a mile apart and the power is very similar, just mattpc pointed out on the phone last night, this is likely to be my last 'mentalmobile' for a while and the 540i can wait - it's the perfect thing for when I have a family as the missus won't suspect the beemer of being a beast

Fuel economy - I managed 24mpg out of the MX-5 this week...

Insurance was on a standard car but I agree - that is cheap!

Cheers for the advice, any hints on what to look for when purchasing one???

Gotta correct you there really m8 a 540i is a great comfort car, but a 3000GT would pull away from it quite easily. The 3000GT 0-60 is sub 5.5s and I managed 5.2's in mine on a G Meter with no modifications and AutoCar got 4.6-4.8s I believe when they reviewed it. With a top speed of 180mph the 3000GT is a very quick car. At a guess 0-100mph is 12.5-13.5s so the 3000GT is very quick and extra power comes very cheap.

The 540i is probably about 6.5's as I believe it is really heavy and no doubt about 15s 0-100mph, though the BMW will handle better but will offer less grip.

Kitchster_uk · 12 Apr 2006 at 18:44

Ahh, but I am looking the Mk1(?) 1994/6 3000GT which I believe is just under 6 seconds to 60, with the BM being about .8 secs behind that. Coming from the <X-5 the handling of the GT may be interesting but the power of either will be unbeliveable.

Don't get me wrong, I really do fancy the loon-mobile over the hugely rapid amalgamation of DFS and ****** and I reckon I would be less inclined to get bored with the GT, with my current record ownership (since I bought the golf in 2001, 10 cars ago) being a massive 11 months!!!!

[TW]Fox · 12 Apr 2006 at 18:57

Gibbo said:
Gotta correct you there really m8 a 540i is a great comfort car, but a 3000GT would pull away from it quite easily. The 3000GT 0-60 is sub 5.5s

The BMW is 5.9 seconds, so with only 0.4 seconds in it I don't think there is going to be an awful lot of 'pulling away from it quite easily'. The 3000GT might be quicker but noticeably so.

Besides, he won't be getting a 3000GT with only £5k, it'll be an earlier Jap GTO. Are these not down on power from the UK cars?

Kitchster_uk · 12 Apr 2006 at 19:12

[TW]Fox said:
Besides, he won't be getting a 3000GT with only £5k, it'll be an earlier Jap GTO. Are these not down on power from the UK cars?

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Telephone: 01924 365301 or 07709 462581
Distance: 69 miles
Price: £4,495

On the auto donkey - nice motor and within budget. Would have linked to autotrader but am not smart enough

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Gibbo · 12 Apr 2006 at 19:18

Kitchster_uk said:
1996 MITSUBISHI 3000GT 2dr Coupe,
Manual, 93,000 miles, Uk Model, Twin Turbo, VGC, Full Leather, Full electric pack etc, Full Mitsubishi Service History, Sold with Private Reg C18 GTO, Totally standard, Fast reliable Supercar. £4,495
Telephone: 01924 365301 or 07709 462581
Distance: 69 miles
Price: £4,495

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On the auto donkey - nice motor and within budget. Would have linked to autotrader but am not smart enough

Good buy as long as its got full service history which is an absolute must with these cars. If it has not walk away.
Yes the 1996 model is just as quick, 320BHP, 315lb-ft, 0-60 around 5.0s and stupid top speeds. On paper the 540i may not seem much slower but on the road I think you will find the 3000GT is quite a bit quicker as you do get every bit of power to the road irrelevant of the condition pretty much.

Plus insurance will be pretty cheap too with it been a UK model, no doubt similar to the 540i but your getting a quicker rarer car that is far more exclusive than any other BMW, though granted the 540i is also a great car.

[TW]Fox · 12 Apr 2006 at 19:25

Gibbo said:
Good buy as long as its got full service history which is an absolute must with these cars. If it has not walk away.
Yes the 1996 model is just as quick, 320BHP, 315lb-ft, 0-60 around 5.0s and stupid top speeds. On paper the 540i may not seem much slower but on the road I think you will find the 3000GT is quite a bit quicker as you do get every bit of power to the road irrelevant of the condition pretty much.

Surely the 4wd is only of use in the wet or. more importantly, when getting off the line, which would explain the low 0-60 time compared to the BMW which has only the rear wheels to get the initial power down.

Once moving, I'd be suprised if there was much if any difference.

Gibbo · 12 Apr 2006 at 20:13

[TW]Fox said:
Surely the 4wd is only of use in the wet or. more importantly, when getting off the line, which would explain the low 0-60 time compared to the BMW which has only the rear wheels to get the initial power down.

Once moving, I'd be suprised if there was much if any difference.

Just basing it from other cars that tried it on when I was driving the 3000GT on a daily basis. An approx 350BHP corvette which weighs around 1450kg could not pull away from me, though I have manual box which helps a bit and that was in the dry. In a straight line my 3000GT had better straight line acceleration over an M3 CSL anywhere between 1mph-150mph and the 540i is quite a bit slower than both of those cars, but in fairness my 3000GT has been looked after to high standards and has a few modifications that make the car a lot more responsive.