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Vertigo said:
I've made this exact point several times.

To those info photography, golf, mountain biking etc, £1-2k for a GPU would seem cheap. My camera body and three of my lenses are each worth more than my 4090.

High-end GPUs are a luxury item and are priced as such.
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Yep that's right. It's also a fact that a lot of people who got into PC's in the 90's and early 2000's are now in their prime earning years with the ability to buy the absolute top end even if it doesn't make sense in value terms.

I recently bought a 400GB Intel Optane P5801X for roughly £1/GB all in and slotted it into a pcie x4 slot with an adapter. Need it? No. Loving it? Hell yes!
 
brostradamus said:
i was speaking in software parlance.. but the idea is to segregate parts by explicit functions, of course the screw holding the graphics card in place is also performing a function, a motherboards job is to connect other parts to the cpu, there are no explicit functions a motherboard performs (other than maybe onboard sound processing and ethernet)

if what you say about overclocking is true then it only strengthens my original argument about x670 pricing
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By that logic you can consider a motherboard to be something along the lines of a translation layer, API, or dependency - all of which are either necessary, or in the case of APIs, add functionality which have value.
Also, do you want a PC with no sound output or networking capability? (yes I know you can buy them as separate add-in cards, or use sound via HDMI/DP)

Agreee on motherboard pricing with the latest generation, although maybe more like 3x than 5 (my x370 Taichi cost around £200-220, and part of the reason I wanted that model was the white aestetic, so compare to the carrera at £600+)
Then again, AMD motherboards were always cheap, until Ryzen came along and made them the more compelling option for a system.... Intel boards were expensive since some time around Sandy Bridge - although my Abit IP35 Pro XE was something like £86 and was a banger of a board - Heatpiped collers and a debug LED, both features which I really appreciate and you're now in to £500 territory if you want them :(

Circling back to GPUs, it's basically just market forces and what people are willing to pay, between the ever increasing complexity + a big jump due to covid times (more focus on in home entertainment vs going out, plus reduced costs due to WFH)
 
brostradamus said:
i was speaking in software parlance.. but the idea is to segregate parts by explicit functions, of course the screw holding the graphics card in place is also performing a function, a motherboards job is to connect other parts to the cpu, there are no explicit functions a motherboard performs (other than maybe onboard sound processing and ethernet)

if what you say about overclocking is true then it only strengthens my original argument about x670 pricing
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A screw does not have a function in regards the operation of the PC, you can bread board a PC and it will still work. You can't remove a motherboard and have the PC still work.

There are loads of features that motherboards at different prices have other than just connecting the CPU. Having said that I specifically didn't buy an AMD machine because the total cost of one once you account for motherboard isn't really that compelling.
 
BubbySoup said:
I intend to buy a 5090 when they arrive. This is my hobby which I enjoy. Do I worry that I am getting good value for money? No, life is too short. Enjoy whatever you can afford.

PC gaming is still a relatively cheap hobby compared to a lot of other hobbies.
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Yup agree 100% and it's a point I keep making. Value is incredibly subjective and a GPU is not that expensive for something that is used/enjoyed so often over the course of 2-3 years.
 
chaparral said:
It seems like it was when ray tracing was added to Gpu’s starting with the RTX 2000 series that the prices of them really jumped up

Not counting the Titan GPU’s which I think nvidia used to test if people would pay 1k+ for a gpu
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Yeh, I think as nvidia had the top end, they were able to sell ray tracing and dlss and kinda force people into early ray tracing adoption. I think this is why there are mixed opinions over RT. You are paying for the extra silicon, so some expect the difference in games to be substantial. However there is still only a handful of games that you could describe as having a big difference.
For me vr and RT both piqued my interest. Out of the two techs, VR makes a bigger difference. I feel over the last few years that vr actually has more stand out and immersive content than ray tracing. But the overall online enthusiast perspective is, VR looks good but there isn't much content. To RT is great and loads of games.... I feel if nvidia didn't have the top end and people were given the option to buy the ai silicon as a add on for RT, then it would be in the same boat as vr.
 
Calin Banc said:
Your camera and glass will perform just as good 10 years from now. A video card won't. They will also keep their value better - especially good glass.
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Granted but all that means is the photography equipment is a better investment than the GPU.

Unfortunately the rate at which each depreciates doesn't really affect how much they cost to start with. They're both luxury items and, as I said, are priced as such.
 
scubes said:
What games are use all wanting to try with the 5090?
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Less new (to me) games, but want to try my existing space marine 2, DCS and Warhammer III with all graphics setting cranked way up! Likely to get COD 6, and ive also heard theres going to be a new sniper elite. Si will prob buy those. ALtho then need to set my sights on a new OLED monitor!
 
5090 looks like an absolute beast, can't see anything else being worthy beneath it. Due to rumors of the cards being bumped back a tier, i.e the 5080 is really a 5070. I'm going to sit these out initially and see when the dust settles. Nvidia can basically do what they want here with pricing etc.
 
Normally I'd be interested but this XTX is serving me v well even at 4k, and almost no RT games out worth a damn (type I play at least, leave it to the pixel-peepers). Might chill or might jump, see how it performs :)
 
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Vertigo said:
High-end GPUs are a luxury item and are priced as such.
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I don't think it's really comparable to other hobbies.
Most other hobbies have entry level products that are cheap and more than good enough.


GPU's don't have the competition needed to drive down prices, there's pretty much only high end now.

Also they won't hold value for more than 2 years, it's pretty much a consumable
 
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