BMW 5 Series - need information

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Ok in approx 6 months I will be looking to get a new car that is cheaper, will reduce my debt (to buy a bigger house) will be a family saloon and not expensive to maintain.

Because of our resident Fox I am seriously thinking of doing about £10k on a 5 series, now really REALLY how much is this going to cost to service/MOT/tax run in general. This is compared to a RX8 which averages 18mpg service is around £120 and doesnt require MOT coz its too new. I do have a debt to the bank for it tho at £300 a month.

I dont do much driving at all, commuting via train to central london daily. Its only used for the weekend shop and the odd visits to various members of family 100+ miles away.

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Oh it must be at least 4 door (will be carrying my kids when I eventually get some), have a spanky interior and I dont mind diesels.
 
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330/530 d/i.

I'm pretty sure the 330d and 530d's will be in your 10k budget. Pushing out to £11-12k will give you quite a bit more choice and will stretch to Sport models, which include better suspension, bigger wheels (in the case of the 3, better 17" wheels in the case of the 5), and much better seats. x30i's tend to be be cheaper than the d equivalents. The Sport saloon versions of the e46(3) and e39(5) look stunning.

530's and 330's use the same engines (other than the V8's in the 535 and 540), so running costs are vastly similar.

My 330d is due a Inspection 2 which is the biggest of the services. I've had a quote of £375 from Sytner BMW which I consider very reasonable, especially as Sytner has a reputation for being pricey, and Inspection 2's are the mother of all services. If you think the £375 is high, don't worry too much as the Inspection 2 services are few and far between - I guess every 50k or so.

My biggest cost so far has been tires. The 18" wheels mean that a full set costs around £600. Tax was £160 when I renewed it in Feb, I think it's £195 now. My car had done 90k+ miles and had its first MOT in Feb with no issues.

For what you use it for, I guess economy isn't a problem, so don't go for the Diesel to save cash. However, I personally prefered the way the 330d drives to the petrol equivalent, hence my choice in going for the diesel. I average around 37mpg with 50:50 motorway normal driving. This will drop to 35mpg with town driving, and go up to 40-45mpg with more motorway driving. The x30i's will be 10-15mpg less, maybe more. The big bonus with the diesel models is that they can be remapped to give up to 40bhp more and loopy amounts of torque. The d models feel faster than the i's.
 
The e46 330d Sport saloon looks like this:

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If you don't do many miles then i'd probably advise the petrol over the diesel, as the diesels carry a price premium. A 530i would be plenty fast enough for most people, and there are plenty of toys available on them if that floats your boat.

Then all you need is a fake M5 badge like me ;)
 
i have driven broth the 530d and 330d and have to say the 530d is a lot more of a exec car and wafts along nicely. ideal for motorway driving. the 330d on the other hand is a beast especially once tuned i beilve it will pump out 230 odd horses.

i drive a 325ci sport and that has plenty of power and ive had it for 4 years from brand new and never had a serious problem!

i say go for the E46!!!

*S
 
Thanks for the info Nick... I am sure i have seen those BMW pics somewhere before :p


Beepcake said:
If you don't do many miles then i'd probably advise the petrol over the diesel, as the diesels carry a price premium. A 530i would be plenty fast enough for most people, and there are plenty of toys available on them if that floats your boat.

Then all you need is a fake M5 badge like me ;)


Lol yea there is a well nice 5 series on Pistonheads... except its got a M5 badge! GRR.. I wonder if you can demand it is removed without a trace before buying?

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/76982.htm

However this REAL M5 looks very nice for its price :eek:

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/77247.htm

Gotta be something wrong with it :confused:
 
Thats not an M5 badge, it's an M badge.

Sport model 5 Series came with M badging on the steering wheel, gearnob and sills from the factory and you could have an M badge on the back as well.

530d's are awesome but very expensive - you are looking at around £2000-£3000 more than the equivilent 530i. You are unlikely to have much choice of decent facelift 3 Series Sports for £10k.

Personally I would chose the E39 over the E46 and this is a recommendation I make after driving various versions of both cars. Neither cars are bad - infact, both cars are excellent, but I noticed the 'real world' difference when I stepped out of the E39 I'd been driving all week into an E46.

The E46 feels like a cheaper car, no doubt about it. Not that this is a bad thing - after all, it WAS a cheaper car - but it doesn't feel as 'special' inside as the E39, and some of the materials are of poorer quality - I'm thinking here specifically of things like the centre armrest which has felt rather cheap, flimsey and squeeky in every E46 I've driven bar the 320Cd (which had 500 miles on it!), whereas every E39 one has seemed solid and squeek free, even on a 100,000 mile car.

The E46 has the handling edge - but the 5 Series hides its bulk extremely well - to chuck around you wouldn't think it was a huge great 1.5 tonne executive saloon at all, but the E46 has the same ability and is marginally smaller to start with so comes out on top, but on anything other than a winding B road the E39 feels the better car - it cruises more effortlessly, it feels more classy.

Personally I wouldn't turn my nose up at either but if you get an E46 it *has* to be a Sport model with leather - the cloth in the E46 just makes the whole car feel cheap, whereas the Cloth in the E39 whilst not as nice as leather doesn't have the same cheapening effect.

You get more car for your money with a 5, it looks more elegant as well and you are more likely to find additional toys like the comms pack with tv/satnav in an E39 than an E46 becuase it was a more common option amongst E39 buyers.

Running costs - something I've been doing research into myself to make sure I really can afford to run one.

Fundamentally, they are very reliable cars. Problems with them are few and far between. However, if you DO get a problem, it isn't likely to be cheap to fix on the same scale as a Ford or Vauxhall but I wouldn't have thought its a world away from the RX8 out of warranty repaircosts wise.

The engines themselves - the petrol engines are very, very reliable indeed and properly serviced will go on for ever - the diesels, well, pretty much the same but there have been reports of a spate of turbocharger faliures on 330d and 530ds, and a bill of £1000 to fix, so do be careful here.

Servicing costs range from £60 for an oil service at an independant to £400+ for an Inspection II at a BMW main dealer but provided you keep to independants or reasonably priced main dealers (They do exist, apparently) it's nothing too seroius and you wont be servicing it that often - both E46 and E39 have variable servicing based on the type of driving you do, and can go up to 20k between services depending on driving style.

Tyres - pricey, the E39's with 18" Style 37 alloys (An option on the Sport) have wider rear tyres - Eagle F1's are £140 each for the rears and £120 each for the fronts. 17's are cheaper - but only just. How often you need them depends on how liberal you are with your right foot...

... as does how much you'll spend on fuel. You can get 30mpg out of the petrol sixes but.. only just and only on a run - but there is no significant fuel economy difference between the 2.2, 2.5 and 3.0 engines in the 320/520 325/525 and 530/330 so get the biggest you can find.

The E39 also has two 8 cylinder engines - 535i and 540i - fuel economy is considerably worse, virtually all are automatics, but the 540i offers storming performance - 0-60 in under 6 seconds. 535i has the fuel economy of the 540i but the performance of the 530i so is best avoided.
 
ajgoodfellow said:
Nope - it's done over 100,000 miles which really hurts the price

If anything, it's perhaps a little expensive - http://www.whatcar.com/used-car-valuation.aspx?MA=7&MV=23480&ED=3880&UP=1709900&ML=102000

It's not, it's very cheap, and What Car? mileage adjusted valuations are not worth anything, they've made some serious errors in the way it calculates values and it gives out some very wacky values. I once had it tell me a 330d with 150k was worth -£1500.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Personally I wouldn't turn my nose up at either but if you get an E46 it *has* to be a Sport model with leather - the cloth in the E46 just makes the whole car feel cheap, whereas the Cloth in the E39 whilst not as nice as leather doesn't have the same cheapening effect.

I quite like the (1/2?) suede seats you get on the sport models as well, or am I just weird?
 
[TW]Fox said:
Yea the Alcantara Sports seats are nice :)

Was looking at a 325 that had them and they were lovely, in a way preferred them to the leather which in photos can look a bit plasticy.

After driving my folks 55 plate 325 at the weekend a BMW is high up on my list of cars to get next, it was lovely :) So many nice things to say about it, only a couple of niggles. And it was quite nippy too :P
 
I found a 320Cd M Sport Coupe for £15k from BMW. 80k miles??

Im doing 18k/miles a year, and tbh i really dont like putting that on my current car, i've been driving an old rust bucket to and from work just to avoid it.

Is 80k miles for a bmw diesel that much? Seems like it could go on for quite a few more, though might be hard to sell on in a few years.
 
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