BMW and M Power Owners

JustBen · 29 Nov 2021

Havana_UK said:
Did they say why it needs new discs?

Said they were below the minimum thickness (can't remember what he said it was).

SDK^ · 29 Nov 2021

jpaul said:
yes doesn't have the rear passenger space his 3 GT has, wonder if I should shun frameless too (always have frost problems, even on cars even with frames), and, at a premium, as JA says vs 3. ... red is nicer than the green.

I like Sanremo Green metallic and it would be my choice if I was buying a M440i GC or i4 M50

jpaul · 30 Nov 2021

I subsequently watched JA's review of the m340i g** touring (with gold wheels) was interesting it didn't have the front strut-braces that were prominent in the 440i videos,
looks as though you can get the M-sport LSD (my vid acclaimed) even on a M330i, but, have read some comments that its perceptible benefits on a lower powered 330 are questionable.

[TW]Fox · 30 Nov 2021

jpaul said:
looks as though you can get the M-sport LSD (my vid acclaimed) even on a M330i, but, have read some comments that its perceptible benefits on a lower powered 330 are questionable.

There is no M330i. The only M Performance 3 Series are the M340d and the M340i.

jpaul · 30 Nov 2021

[TW]Fox said:
The only M Performance 3 Series are the M340d and the M340i.

ok - so that's not the uk -I had been reading an australian thread - which has some intereseting technical information on g20 M-sport suspension/drive I'd not seen before.
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The BMW 3 series M- Sport front sway bar is firm & heavy relative to the softer front spring rates. At times the front sway-bar may overwhelm the front springs with heave when one-wheel bumps are struck mid corner with the outside front wheel loaded. The driver can feel the transverse lateral force of the sway-bar twisting & flexing across the front end of the vehicle. When the outside front wheel is really loaded up at greater speed, you not only feel the loss of independence of the front end, but you can see the front sway-bar pushing the inside front unloaded front mud-guard down limiting the chassis body roll.

The loss of independence in the front end is not a pleasant feeling for the driver when striking one-wheel bumps mid-corner. The stiffer sway-bar overwhelms the softer front springs, trading off independence for a flat cornering stance. The longitudinal heaving forces are not violent enough to through the BMW off-line mid-corner. It does upset the natural flow of the chassis when impacting one-wheel bumps with the loaded outside tyre. This issue may relate to owners who drive out in the country on rougher B-grade country roadways.

BMW may have alternatively gone for a stiffer front spring rate and smaller, lighter more flexible front sway bar. This would make the ride firmer all of the time, but added some independence when striking mid-corner bumps.

Or better still: BMW may have ditched the versatile front strut suspension for a double-wishbone front end akin to the larger brother 5 series. The BMW 5 series has a great reputation for striking that balance between ride comfort/handling balance. Double-Wishbone suspension does a better job of consistently keeping the tyre in contact with the roadway. It provides for more consistent negative camber, reducing tyre scrub as the chassis leans from side to side. A double-wishbone front end may have allowed BMW to have a smaller & lighter front sway-bar, allowing for greater independence for the front end of the 3 series. ...
The ZF 8-speed auto gearbox is not as compact as the earlier generation ZF 6-speed auto. This may explain why the transmission tunnel of the G20 3 series BMW is quite wide. ..
...creating a slightly offset seating position for the driver and front passenger.

edit: I guess the distinction you are making is between, say a 340i M sport , and a M340i ...

Alex_6n2 · 1 Dec 2021

What?

SDK^ · 1 Dec 2021

Alex_6n2 said:
What?

I like the XM.
Clearly it's a concept designed to generate online discussion. The production version will look very different - i.e. those front lights will need to change.
Also, it's going to be out of most people's price range, being the 'most expensive BMW ever made' and probably fully allocated already.

Steedie · 1 Dec 2021

Alex_6n2 said:
What?

No idea how any of the designers at BMW are still in a job...

SDK^ · 1 Dec 2021

Steedie said:
No idea how any of the designers at BMW are still in a job...

Opinions on design and aesthetics is a very objective, personal thing.
The Tesla Cyber Truck has over 1.2 million pre-orders and look at that !

Alex_6n2 · 1 Dec 2021

It's most certainly an objective topic

But BMWs more recent design direction means I'm oot

Jonnycoupe · 1 Dec 2021

SDK^ said:
Opinions on design and aesthetics is a very objective, personal thing.
The Tesla Cyber Truck has over 1.2 million pre-orders and look at that !

MOst of those will never be legally transacted, ie every single deposit for EU market buyers.

How many preorders did the iX have, cos this is iX + Monkfish = XM. Another world of WTAF.

Of course at the other end we have the New Range Rover....

dLockers · 1 Dec 2021

SDK^ said:
I like the XM.
Clearly it's a concept designed to generate online discussion. The production version will look very different - i.e. those front lights will need to change.
Also, it's going to be out of most people's price range, being the 'most expensive BMW ever made' and probably fully allocated already.

I love how tall she is

Greebo · 1 Dec 2021

SDK^ said:
I like the XM.
Clearly it's a concept designed to generate online discussion. The production version will look very different - i.e. those front lights will need to change.
Also, it's going to be out of most people's price range, being the 'most expensive BMW ever made' and probably fully allocated already.

Why will those front lights need to change? I am sure I had read, before this XM "model" appeared, that was the way BMW were going with all their headlights on upcoming models.

Mysterae_ · 1 Dec 2021

The interior of the XIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM reminds me of an open tin of Quality Street after it's been drunkenly raided, with discarded wrappers and chocolate everywhere. Then your 6 year old spat out the toffees in to the wrappers and stuck them to the roof :cry:

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SDK^ · 1 Dec 2021

Jonnycoupe said:
Of course at the other end we have the New Range Rover....

Which is the same copy & paste design as the previous model

[TW]Fox · 1 Dec 2021

SDK^ said:
Clearly it's a concept designed to generate online discussion.

It's generating online discussion about alternative brands for some BMW owners.

200sols · 1 Dec 2021

chroniclard · 1 Dec 2021

Pretty much all the latest models with the fat grills look guff.

SDK^ · 1 Dec 2021

200sols said:

I must have seen that image at least 100 times in the last 2 weeks !!

BMW don't even have a large grill (Except 7 series).
Since ~2009 the front grill on most Audi's has been much bigger than the recent BMW designs. Lexus have gone large on their grill for 6+ years too.

jpaul · 1 Dec 2021

Influence of Chinese taste : 2020 hadn't realised 1/3 bm sales are there, the same as combined us/uk/de ... will that skew further in the future.