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So I need to push the button on a car this week really for daily use.

Fox if you don't mind, current 5 series, 30K to spend, any pointers?

Not fussed about colour, but nice spec etc would be great.

I bow to your knowledge on BMW, I am lost on the current models really.

It's a really bad time to buy as you know - you're going to get so little for your money even at £30k. I paid less than this for a 12 month old one, today you'd be lucky to get a decent 2018 car. Which is what you should look for, a decent 2018 car. I have spent a lot of time driving every model in the range except the 530e and the M5, and my thoughts are:

The 6 cylinder diesel is still the best model in the range for everyday use. There are risks attached to it regarding future treatment of diesel by government, but that is about the only downside. The car itself is quick enough, refined, very efficient and generally just exactly what you'd want from a 5 Series. The 520d is noticeably less refined but not significantly more fuel efficient, the 530i removes the diesel uncertainty but also removes some of the smoothness, 2 of the cylinders and some of the effortless feel. The 540i is brilliant but really just drives like the diesel whilst making a better noise and consuming 50% more fuel. A great engine in a fun car, but this is a Motorway barge, so I think on balance despite loving the engine the 540i goes in the 'what is the point' box.

In terms of spec, as the poster above says the days of tragic spec 5 Series with the postage stamp nav screen are gone. You can't buy a bad spec - any you find will have enough kit to be fine so consider any optional extras a bonus. A particular annoyance of mine is that the standard lights look a bit sad and have halogen indicator bulbs - the Icon LED lights look far better - but cars with Icon LED fitted are few and far between.

It's reasonably easy to find a car with a HUD these days, so if I was buying (Which I always planned to after 5 years with my F10, but there we go) I think I'd try and get one with the HUD. It's excellent.

I've had a quick look on the AUC website to see what I'd look to buy if I was buying today with £30k. It's really slim pickings I'm afraid, but I'd probably go with something like this:

https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202112140514486?quoteref=6828cfc6-f530-4c31-a97e-7dce0d852617

However, I'd like you to consider two other options.

The first is the 6 Series GT. The 6 Series GT is a more practical yet more odd looking 5 Series. It also has a much better standard specification. Despite costing more new than a 5 Series, it is now similar money as the equivalent 5 Series. You'd need to really dislike how it looks to buy a 5 Series instead of a 6 Series GT. Unfortunately, I do really dislike how it looks so would buy a 5 Series instead but if you can get past this it is unquestionably a better car in every way than a 5 Series, as it's basically a 5 Series Plus. Here is an example:

https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202109307981023?quoteref=89e00443-8aa0-401d-ac02-23114813a642

The second is the 3 Series. The more of these I drive the more I like them. The interior is excellent, the build is excellent, they are refined, they handle well, I'm almost at the point where I think it may even better a better choice. They also all have iDrive 7 as standard..

https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202201051029461?quoteref=a7645b18-3a62-47cf-8fd6-eb48327bd2e5

iDrive 7 is functionally quite an improvement over iDrive 6 (Worth it for the Spotify integration alone) but pre LCI cars with iDrive 7 are rare - the last year of production only - and post LCI cars are both ugly and incredibly expensive. The reality is that for £30k you probably won't find one with iDrive 7.

Or F10 model but with Active Ride thingy I guess.

I will never understand the fuss made about adaptive suspension. Every single press review of the F10 went on about how it was a total must have - but it really isn't. A 5 Series on M Sport suspension with decent tyres rides and handles really well - I am very fussy about this sort of thing and I've never found an Adaptive fitted car to change my world. Yea, sure, its good, but that doesn't make it a must have especially when it's so rare.
 
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Thanks for that some really good pointers. F10 makes no sense so binned that idea I think unless I go dirt cheap.

I do rate the new 3 series but prefer the 5 I think still. 6 GT I’d not considered and it looks better than the old 5 GT but still unsure. Need to go look I think.
 
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Anyone know the current lead time on an iX50? My Polestar 2 lease isn't up until March 2023 but I have heard some horror stories about factory orders taking a year because of the semi-conductor shortage.
 
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Anyone know the current lead time on an iX50? My Polestar 2 lease isn't up until March 2023 but I have heard some horror stories about factory orders taking a year because of the semi-conductor shortage.

People who ordered them straight away from launch got December delivery in the UK. last i heard any current new orders on the ix50 is at least July for the UK unless you take a pre built slot if its available and not get the exact spec you want? I know I guy who took a March demonstrator delivery slot from a BMW dealer as he wasnt prepared to wait until July (that was back in December)

ix40 seem in plentiful supply and available in short build times.

I have heard rumours that pretty much every ix50 is almost sold for 2022 production. Vastly outselling the the ix40s.
 
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I have heard rumours that pretty much every ix50 is almost sold for 2022 production. Vastly outselling the the ix40s.

I do find that somewhat hard to believe when the price difference between the two is around £30k!

Plus who feels a 500+ bhp electric vehicle the size of an X5 but with less luggage capacity is reasonable at that price (£91k)?
 
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I do find that somewhat hard to believe when the price difference between the two is around £30k!

Plus who feels a 500+ bhp electric vehicle the size of an X5 but with less luggage capacity is reasonable at that price (£91k)?

It doesn’t have to be - it just needs to be new/different.

People typically don’t care for the specifications, or what it doesn’t have - just what it does have/does differently from everything else :)
 
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It doesn’t have to be - it just needs to be new/different.

People typically don’t care for the specifications, or what it doesn’t have - just what it does have/does differently from everything else :)

Perhaps it’s just all the ICE X5/6 owners swapping out to go EV and perhaps I’m out of touch with what those owners paid for their cars, but £91k seems an awful lot of money for this.
 
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Perhaps it’s just all the ICE X5/6 owners swapping out to go EV and perhaps I’m out of touch with what those owners paid for their cars, but £91k seems an awful lot of money for this.

Possibly, or it could be a few company cars - they’re a comparatively cheap way of getting a high performance SUV.


Don’t forget, as well, that these vehicles aren’t really being “sold”, so the 91k price isn’t of much relevance when you consider it’ll likely consist of leasing and company cars.



Market is changing a lot
 
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I do find that somewhat hard to believe when the price difference between the two is around £30k!

Plus who feels a 500+ bhp electric vehicle the size of an X5 but with less luggage capacity is reasonable at that price (£91k)?

Well the ix50 broke all records for the most number of cars sold in one day in Norway so the demand is there.

Plus my x5 45e hybrid came in at £82,000 list price. They have gone up a lot. My boss has just got a range rover sport 400e for his with and that was £82k as well.

The ix50 comes with more equipment as standard compared to the x5 so I can see lots of potential x5 new car buyers swapping over to the ix50.

The fuel/BIK savings will offset the extra purchase cost.

I even specced and priced up an ix50 myself but I am still not quite ready to go full EV.
 
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Possibly, or it could be a few company cars - they’re a comparatively cheap way of getting a high performance SUV.


Don’t forget, as well, that these vehicles aren’t really being “sold”, so the 91k price isn’t of much relevance when you consider it’ll likely consist of leasing and company cars.



Market is changing a lot

Yeah mine would be a 3 year lease and cost approx. £1000 a month.

A lot for a car, but business is doing well.
 
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I do find that somewhat hard to believe when the price difference between the two is around £30k!

Plus who feels a 500+ bhp electric vehicle the size of an X5 but with less luggage capacity is reasonable at that price (£91k)?
BIK

On the Housey/Fox discussion - I really like that 6 Series GT. Is the warranty cost significantly more?
 
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No it's the same as a 5 Series. Another plus.

It's also huge, there is more boot capacity than a 5 series touring.
 
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No it's the same as a 5 Series. Another plus.

It's also huge, there is more boot capacity than a 5 series touring.

Isnt the 6 series better equipped as standard as well like you get full electric seats and adaptive LED headlights as standard? Okay costs more money when new but if they are the same price used then its a no brainer to buy the 6 series IMO so long as you like the look of them.

I've always thought of the 6 series as a cut down 7 series rather than a tarted up 5 series.
 

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Thanks for that some really good pointers. F10 makes no sense so binned that idea I think unless I go dirt cheap.

I do rate the new 3 series but prefer the 5 I think still. 6 GT I’d not considered and it looks better than the old 5 GT but still unsure. Need to go look I think.
Current 3 is great, but not a 5. Take a serious look at the 6 GT, if not a 7.
People who ordered them straight away from launch got December delivery in the UK. last i heard any current new orders on the ix50 is at least July for the UK unless you take a pre built slot if its available and not get the exact spec you want? I know I guy who took a March demonstrator delivery slot from a BMW dealer as he wasnt prepared to wait until July (that was back in December)

ix40 seem in plentiful supply and available in short build times.

I have heard rumours that pretty much every ix50 is almost sold for 2022 production. Vastly outselling the the ix40s.
I was told by my BMW dealer that there's no chance getting an ix50 any time soon, or indeed an i4 for that matter. Realistically 2023 delivery.
No problem with ix40s though. Loads in stock all over the place.
 
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Isnt the 6 series better equipped as standard as well like you get full electric seats and adaptive LED headlights as standard? Okay costs more money when new but if they are the same price used then its a no brainer to buy the 6 series IMO so long as you like the look of them.

Yes, this is exactly what is so good about them. I talked my Dad into one back in 2019 and he's really pleased with it. When he bought his they were actually cheaper than a lower specified 5 Series Touring with the same engine, this has reversed a bit lately but they still offer great value.

The interior etc is all 5 series (Just like the A7 is an A6 really).

I've always thought of the 6 series as a cut down 7 series rather than a tarted up 5 series.

It is and always has been a nicer 5 Series. The current model is the replacement for the old 5GT, the previous model was basically a 5 Series Coupe/Convertible with a nicer interior. Both wonderful cars.

I think the 7 Series thing comes from the fact when the original 5GT was launched in 2009 the narrative in all of the reviews was about how it was based on the 7 Series platform, rather than the 5 Series. This was at the time true but only because the 7 Series was the recently introduced F01 and the 5 Series was still the E60. The F10 5 Series came out 6 months later and was also on that platform.
 

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It's closer than ever though. So close, I think its well worth a look. The current 3 Series is IMHO the best 3 Series since the E46, if not the best 3 Series ever.
Totally agree. Pretty much the same size as the E39, which is the best 5 Series ever so it’s all good ;)
 
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