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I've done about 4500 miles in the year I've owned my 440i GC...

2.5 mile trip to work = 17-23 mpg depending on mode (comfort/sport) and traffic
urban mileage = ~22-26mpg on average
motorway mileage = 35-43mpg depending on speed and traffic
 
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I know it's what they cost at the moment but please take a pause to consider whether you really want to spend £26,000 on a 5 year old example of a car introduced over a decade ago. They are great cars but they are just such bad value at the current prices and IMHO they are most at risk from a serious value correction when things begin to improve.
 
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If you're going to spend that sort of money on an F model 3/4 Series, it has to be an M3/M4 IMO. They can be had from AUC for £30k~.

Being an M car, they'll be less likely to face the sort of sudden depreciation that the normal models will, as Fox mentioned.

One example, only 15k miles: https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202110258861612
 
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Thanks Fox

After speaking to BMW warranty cost me £540 for comprehensive cover without breakdown as I already have it with my insurance.
 
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I know it's what they cost at the moment but please take a pause to consider whether you really want to spend £26,000 on a 5 year old example of a car introduced over a decade ago. They are great cars but they are just such bad value at the current prices and IMHO they are most at risk from a serious value correction when things begin to improve.

Thank you. Point noted. What's the uplift heen in the last 2 years? 10%?

And does that poor value apply to M2XX/F22 models too atm?
 
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Thank you. Point noted. What's the uplift heen in the last 2 years? 10%?

And does that poor value apply to M2XX/F22 models too atm?

Must be at least that. 2 years ago I was looking at the market to get an idea of what to save, and F3X 40is were circa 21~23k from memory for a decent example.

Those same cars, with more miles, and being older by 2 years, are going for the price you’re now looking at.
 
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What's the uplift heen in the last 2 years? 10%?
And does that poor value apply to M2XX/F22 models too atm?

i bought my 03/2018 440i GC for £24k via AUC a year ago (53 weeks to be exact)
via dealer, you'd expect to pay £30-32k for the same 18 reg 440i GC today

so i'd probably say more like 40% increase for the 440i GC taking into account that the car is actually an extra year older, and should technically have an extra year's worth of "depreciation"
 
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The 4 Series Gran Coupe is the hatchback version of the 3 Series saloon. Which means that fundamentally, other than a few tweaks here and there and a newer version of iDrive, a 2017 440i GC isn't all that different to a 2011 335i. A car that, whilst good, appeared 11 years ago. Almost £30k seems like really poor value - normally you'd be expecting a 4-5 year old version of a car thats been around over a decade to be perhaps £10k or more less than they currently are unless it was a special model, like the M Power cars.

Once you're at almost £30k it probably isn't all that much more of a jump into a current 3 Series - a car that is thoroughly more modern and completely different in every respect other than the badge on the boot. At this point you need to ask yourself if those extra 2 cylinders - which is really all you're getting over a G20 3 Series - are worth the considerable downsides to buying a car like this at this sort of prices. Something that even I, a well known cylinder count snob (I bought a diesel to avoid 4 cylinder BMWs!) would probably concede that they are not. Yes, it sucks, but this is not a normal market and therefore normal car buying considerations are on hold for now.
 
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I appreciate the detailed feedback on the value.

I was again not enamoured by the 440i GC I drove today; it definitely wasnt as good an example as midweek's. The M240i keeps attracting me instead but may hold out for a bit then and see how the market behaves.
 
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I appreciate the detailed feedback on the value.

I was again not enamoured by the 440i GC I drove today; it definitely wasnt as good an example as midweek's. The M240i keeps attracting me instead but may hold out for a bit then and see how the market behaves.

Any reason you don't fancy an M4?
 
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Any reason you don't fancy an M4?

Budget, and long term running costs of a M4 which i suspect will be higher than a 4xx. Initially when i occasionally kept an eye on them last year I had set it as under £22.5k. I realised these last few weeks that £25k would be more realistic and achievable and even then it is slim pickings. I don't particularly want to spend more.
 
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The M240i keeps attracting me instead but may hold out for a bit then and see how the market behaves.
Most M240i cars are/were PCP poverty spec cars with little to no options, so take your time finding one with a decent spec
 
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If you're going to spend that sort of money on an F model 3/4 Series, it has to be an M3/M4 IMO. They can be had from AUC for £30k~.

Being an M car, they'll be less likely to face the sort of sudden depreciation that the normal models will, as Fox mentioned.

One example, only 15k miles: https://usedcars.bmw.co.uk/vehicle/202110258861612

I was wondering why that was cheap despite the miles, then I saw the spec.
 
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Been playing around with doing some mods on the 4 series, only thing I can’t get to work is the electric folding mirrors when locking the car.

From what I’ve read all 4 series come with the equipment to do it, it just needs coding.

I’ve done the main ones like stopping Auto Stop/Start from being active every time you switch the car on, also added a digital Speedo to the instrument cluster and got rid of the annoying chime when you open the door.
 
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Been playing around with doing some mods on the 4 series, only thing I can’t get to work is the electric folding mirrors when locking the car.

From what I’ve read all 4 series come with the equipment to do it, it just needs coding.

I’ve done the main ones like stopping Auto Stop/Start from being active every time you switch the car on, also added a digital Speedo to the instrument cluster and got rid of the annoying chime when you open the door.

Do your mirrors fold if you hold the centre button after locking the car?
If so then you should be able to code the mirrors to fold straight away.
I never understood why they didn't as standard, & had to code mine.
 
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Do your mirrors fold if you hold the centre button after locking the car?
If so then you should be able to code the mirrors to fold straight away.
I never understood why they didn't as standard, & had to code mine.
Nah they don’t unfortunately, even holding the middle button for 10 seconds does nothing.
 
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